Torque Shader Engine being pirated

#21 My partner has two parrots, one big sucker thats quite typical of the pirates fashion, and a little lorri which is a plain irritating little snotbag!
Had a patch on my eye recently from a bit of welding slag flying onto my eyelid...

Pirate?


I wouldn't worry so much about TSE on bittorrent, they wont get far with it...
And its not like its even half finished and good enough quality for much yet...
And what the hell are they gonna do with any game they make?

If anything, it might bring a few more people into the licenced grog bar!

#22

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And what the hell are they gonna do with any game they make?

If anything, it might bring a few more people into the licenced grog bar!

That's very insightful... what can they do with it except license it? Eventually they'll want to release their game, and then they'll have to license it - or risk being caught and called out for pirating their engine. Honestly, they'd get more benefit from licensing it earlier rather than later, but in a lot of cases these folks are just going to procrastinate about doing anything with it anyway.

Not that I'm supporting them pirating it, but still...

#23 If you are stealing to survive, in a society wealthy enough to have computers be a norm, then you are taking what should be rightfully yours if some people in society weren't evil greedy fuckers.

Now, stealing a game engine that cost less than $500. That's not wrong... that's retarded. That's like stealing a children crossing sign from a crosswalk at a school stupid. Why the hell of all things would you steal a game engine?! And there's been almost a 1000 people who've done it?! Who are these idiots?! I mean, at LEAST I can see the point in stealing music and movies and games. But a game engine?! That's not even finished being made?!

The biggest joke of it all is... really... TSE is nice cause it's done a lot of work for you... but there's not exactly genius at work here... nothing anyone with time and an internet connection couldn't do themselves. And by the time you could make sense enough of TSE to steal anything from it, you could have built your own engine.

Oh well, this is why aliens don't want to come back here for visits. They don't want us being stupid influences on their little aliens.

#24 Well think about it.
Pirating a game engine, source code, or even photoshop, all you can really do is look at it and learn from it.
But the moment you decide to go public with whatever you may have created, decide to try and profit from it in any way, your going to run into trouble.

I will use my friend as an example, he, for a good 6-7 years pirated 3D Studio Max, couldn't do much with it, but learnt a great deal and improved an absolute bucketload over the years until he got to a pretty decent professional level and decided he wanted to start releasing his work into the wild and displaying on deviantart and taking part in the art society, in short, he wanted to make a career out of it.
Thats when he bought Max 7, not really because he had too, but because he had a good paying job, could afford it, and knew the value of having a legal copy and licence. (keywords: knew the value of the licence)

The same could very well apply for TGE, TSE and TGB, sure, you can pirate it and learn from it, maybe even get to pro level and have something really worth trying to sell, and thats when that skinny little 100-200 buck licence is going to come in handy.
And still, even if a person who has pirated it, really likes the engine and what it can do, they will come across the mjor roadblock of no support, and hopefully realise how much value that licence gives them!

Maybe GG should start putting little notes in the source headers "If you have pirated this engine, please consider buying a licence at $price, you will get the support of a huge community, a great huge deal of free resources, and the satisfaction of knowing that anything you make with the engine, can be shared/sold legaly", something along those lines, make a list of all the great benefits of the licence!

And please, I'm certainly not trying to say that pirating any of GG's engines is a good thing, its going to happen wether we like it or not.
But perhaps we can find ways to point out to these people, how great it would be for them to buy the licence, point out all the stuff they get with it. Enlighten them!
Its quite possible to turn the situation in GG's favour.

#25 @Luke

Yeah, I remember when I wanted to be a spy and I broke into the CIA and 'borrowed' some equiptment and contacts and I spent 7-8 years curbing blackmarket nuclear weapons sales. After I got really good at it, I went to the CIA and applied. It was great. They put me in the field right away. A nice 50 year stretch as an undercover agent in prison. Yeah, they send me messages in the bar codes on the backs of cigarette boxes and I have to eliminate certain people. I totally know what you mean by that story. I don't care for the involuntary sodomy... but otherwise it's not a bad gig. And if I hadn't 'borrowed' those nuclear weapons to break into the black market nuclear weapons sales... who knows what kind of shitty corner cubicle job I'd have today. With no shower gang rapes. But no where near the medical plan. And I would have all the soda I want. But I'd never get to have recess and nap time. So, sigh, mostly it's pretty not so bad that it's a total nightmare of a horror filled existance. Mostly not.

:P sorry, i'm in a smart ass mood. i'm post deadline and actually have some free time. :P

#26 Yes you are a smart arse Anton, but did you get what I was trying to imply?

I didn't say that it was ok to do at all.
More like, its going to happen wether or not we want it to, perhaps we can try and minimize the impact it could have?

Maybe using my buddy was a bit of a bad analogy, but it sort of serves a purpose (btw, he had always intended to buy max asap but lacked the means to do so... What I'm trying to say, is that he could have gone on using a pirated copy, but saw the value of having a legal copy.)

Or am I gonna end up contradicting myself and swimming round in circles.... (damn that pegleg, good for nothing except whacking grannies over the noggin)

#27 @ Aaron: I am just saying its like the difference between stealing one tool from a huge manufacturing corporation that makes millions of dollars a day instead of stealing it from a small business where they use that one tool everyday to make a little money to get by. Not saying its right either way, but its definitely relative.

I feel much more at ease stealing Brittany's and all her wealthy sound guys songs (if I actually listened to them) than stealing GG's game engine. And whats funny is that I am a musician by hobby and game developer/artist as my dayjob! So I feel this topic I can relate to pretty well.

I just wish there was an easy/discrete way to pirate gasoline.... :P

#28 Urhm... I think the oil companies are the ones committing piracy on that front.

#29 @Luke *V8motorhead* Jones

I'm in a crazy mood. I haven't slept hardly for the last 4 days... 5 days... i'm not sure anymore... i just finished a deadline and the shit hit the fan 4-5 days ago and i had to work all day and hardly no sleep. i in a kooky mood.

#30 Hitting a Native American in the head with a machete and descimating a whole tribe with small-pox blankets is relative as well. Looking at syphillus rates among poor racial communities is relative depending on the time, even when a cure is available that could stop contamination of the community. Euthenizing retarded or indigenous children on racism compunction is relative. Relative to the position of power and the deciding force as well as in accordance with the inactivity of social inhibition.

In case you missed it, I am not saying that genocide is equal to piracy, but that "relativity" is a measure of convenience depending on the research or popular or intellecutual culture. It all depends on where you plant your feet in the debate.

#31 @ David: I see your point, but its WAY out there in your comparison. :P I am talking about piracy.. nothing more, nothing less. And, in case you missed it, I said its wrong either way.

#32 Lol, this thread has turned from "Hey, GG, TSE has been pirated, look at this" to "Murdering minorities is wrong, therfore piracy is too!!!"
A tad off topic I think...

#33 I personally find discussions like this, about whether or not piracy is stealing and when it could be acceptable, to be rather silly. The important point to remember is that piracy is illegal, and those who pirate anything, whether its music or games or development tools, have the law against them.

#34 In most 1st-world countries, anyway.

#35 Yes Louis, because a law has never been passed that was morally incorrect.

#36 Removed.

#37

Quote:Yes Louis, because a law has never been passed that was morally incorrect.

If you feel that a law is immoral, then you should probably take it up with your elected officials while continuing to obey it, to avoid getting into trouble. Good luck.

#38 At the end of the day,even if someone downloaded a pirate version,he will have to pay the hundred bucks to sell any game with it anyway.which is probably never,because anyone seriously wanting to be a game dev for torque ends up here,and we are all nice guys :P

#39 Pirating software didn't seem to hurt the Crytek team.

#40

Quote:If you feel that a law is immoral, then you should probably take it up with your elected officials while continuing to obey it, to avoid getting into trouble. Good luck.

Wow. I mean, just... wow.

I suspect that Thoreau, Martin Luther King Jr., and every other civil disobedient in history is spinning in his grave over this comment.

I am not stating my opinion on Piracy, what I am saying is... it is your DUTY to break a law that you have a moral objection to.

Here's a good paper on civil disobedience... let's see if we can shear some of that wool off of you.