Microsoft planning to drop native OpenGL support in Windows?

#41

Quote:and you shouldn't have any performance issues(other than MS"s GUI widgets being slower, but probably the same as they were in windows XP).

maybe not Josh... here's an excerpt from some more certified rumors that i pick up around the net, this one from courtesy of Evak from the Blitz3D forums...

Quote:Actually games should be better in vista. so long as they are full screen. Vista is supposed to dynamicly turn off non essential services that aren't needed including the entire GUI.

plus... this may be of some interest as well...

Quote:Supposedly you will be able to drop in a DVD and autoboot games more like a console, and swap video drivers on the fly without rebooting.

Also talk of Xbox live equivalent services built in, and ability to use Xbox 360 controlers with no modification.

again... these are unconfirmed rumors... but they are certified though :)

like Adrian said above...

Quote:I think more reliable information is required before people should start getting their knickers in a twist.

--Mike

#42

Quote:And i don't get it also, what do you have agaisnt the casual gamers ?

? he said

Quote:OpenGL is the bane of the casual market.

I think he was clearly pointing out that he supports casual gaming and thats why he dislikes OpenGL. I'd have to agree, the issues that force people to update drivers to support OpenGL really cause a rift that can kill a casual game.

#43 "By default (or standard), it will be OpenGL ES"

OpenGL ES is basically GL 2.0 , check out the khronos group.


"I think he was clearly pointing out that he supports casual gaming and thats why he dislikes OpenGL. I'd have to agree, the issues that force people to update drivers to support OpenGL really cause a rift that can kill a casual game."

casual games don't need opengl drivers updates, i still have to see a casual game that needs shaders or any fancy stuff that needs drivers updates, even tge doesn't need drivers updates.
On the other hand, i installed today the F.E.A.R demo, and i had to update my DX... :P

#44 Thanks Bruno,
I think Pat is insane too..
ROFLMAO...

DirectX is junk.
its always been the backwards brother of OpenGL, modeled after gl and sure continously worked on.

cause it was necessary. CAUSE ITS BEEN BROKEN

Im still not seeing the light years ahead it Should be with all the money invested..

as far as development goes?
all you guys talk about the wizbang features..
but seem to forget you can write games without them.

Plus I dont care if they dont have OpenGL ready to go.
this next OS Is Crap..

I know my company wont rush out to install it into either our work environment or our installed base.

who cares?
not me.

Havent update the graphics drivers on my system since I installed it.
why? cause I dont care.

#45 I have a little dx experience. in my opinion, it's really not that hard to use. setting it up in the first place is somewhat tedious, but once youve set up your application, its no harder to program than opengl imo. d3d rendering is definitely faster (especially in software) and anyone who disagrees is deluding themself.

#46 My publisher has tested our game (TGE engine 1.4) on Vista and says it crashed. Any idea on how we can fix that ?
Is 1.5 better on Vista ?

Anybody ?

Thanks

#47 Marcel sounds like you need a new thread for this to get more attention as
the subjects don't really match. What does console.log say when TGE crashes?

#48 I'm very surprised by you Pat, do you always cuss? Look neither OpenGL NOR DirectX Suck, they are both pretty good stuff. Pat Wilson, can you create some sort of library for graphics? If not then shush. Look I am a fan of OpenGL because it's OPEN. It's not owned by anyone. I do not hate DirectX because I love the games it helps produce such as Civilizations and such.

Pat as an employee you are forced to hold you to a higher standard that looks different from " FUCK OPENGL" >.<. Give us a Pro, A Con... Because I gurantee you I just may have to take your little resume and trash it when I take your spot at GG ;-) *Not to offend You or anything*

Just e-mail me if you have things to say Pat, I rather not flame here :-)

#49 >I rather not flame here

And yet you just did.. On a 2 year old post at that..

#50 OMG what the.. talk about bad use of a coffin (necro posting)...


Get used to it dude... everyone here including GG staff are EXPECTED to
think out of the box.. it's not a 1983 IBM board meeting in Chicago wearing 3 piece suits..

Loosen up...

BTW OpenGL does suck... (well it doesn't but just saying.. I.D. software was so wrong with DX).