Tge warez

#1 This same person used stolen credit cards which were charged back to us. Our only hope is that most people are honest. Sometimes I am amazed that humanity and civilization has made it as far as it has. Our fraud rate is hihger than it has ever been in spite of increasing efforts on our part to slow it down. There wil lhave to be some major changes made in Internet commerce or the "new economy" will be in trouble.

#2 Sigh this is one reason why I despise the pc platform.

#3 It happens on Xbox and PS2 as well... Also gameboys (roms). Not exactly limited to PCs.

#4 True, but its not as easy, thats for sure.

#5 Yeh im sure there is always gonna be those who do, not good at all. I recently purchased the SDK only a week or so ago and im very happy with it i must say, its something ive looked at far too many times and not hit the purchase button, why i dont know but im glad i paid my

#6 Roms arent hard at all to copy, all you need is the proper equipment (which can be built easily) and you can copy them.

#7 And you know what!? Despite these people maliciously stealing from you, if you even tried to build in some sort of retribution (file mangler, OS mangler) you would be sued by some watchdog group in a second flat. The protections are always on the side perpetrating the wrong.

- Brett

#8 Jeff, I know fraud rates can send your merchant fee waaay up or even get them to kick you. I have been looking at some of the systems out there that help prevent it. PreCharge.com is one, but it'll cost you 2% of your transactions, but a better bet imho is a system that uses a telephone number held by the CC company and automates a call to the customer who has to verify the transaction with a code from your site. I just can not find the damn url atm.

#9 Accept Paypal, perhaps even exclusively. Users no longer even need an account to pay by CC. The % charge is slightly higher than a normal merchant account, but with 0% liability on your end, its worth it. Now that they are owned by Ebay, the old arguments against them are no longer pertinent.

#10 Not so sure about that in general since there have been some interesting abuses of the "stolen CC" theme that make it easy for a buyer to get a product, then file a claim that unauthorized activity was taken with their bank (someone on TW recently had this happen). I think it's fairly well-known in the paypal world, and there was a big class-action.

#11 You don't need a Paypal account anymore to purchase things through them. Nor do you need a physical bank account. Only a credit card. It's a rather recent change that reminds me of the pre-Ebay days. Not sure what security features they've implemented, but I'm thinking that it was more for a level of convenience than for security.

#12 I think Erik was stating something like use paypal and it wont be GG's problem it will be paypal's problem. It appears that GG has to pay back any cash charged on a solen credit card where under paypal, paypal would have to pay that back not GG.

My feeling is that this "solution" has nothing to do with security, just who is flipping the bill for paying back stolen card account holders, which GG would be in a round about way to higher fees to paypal. If paypal doesn't give GG the information that a purchased occurred on a stolen paypal account, GG would also pay by having accounts setup and giving updates to people who have stolen funds and most likely aren't interested in the EULA of Torque.

I agree with Jeff with the comment "some major changes" need to be done and it needs to be more than just higher fees and pushing the problem elsewhere, but that topic is more toward identy theft than to warez copies of Torque so I will leave it there.

#13 Luc : You can still fall foul of chargebacks using PayPal. So fraud is still an issue. If it was fraud free, I would use it exclusively for my hosting customers. Instead, I vet them rigourously, and currently only accept customers in the UK. That's the only way I can ensure I dont get spammers and the like using my servers. They still use one of my domains to forge their spam headers though (hostersoutlet.com) that I picked up to sell some software I'm supposed to be writing instead of fiddling with torque......

CC fraud is a big problem, that could be helped immensely by the CC companies, but it's not. It's the vendors who foot the bill, with chargebacks and increased transaction rates, not to mention the loss of products.

It's not too bad for GG by comparison (a virtual product) to vendors who ship products (one of my customers ignored my advice to delay shipment of some militaria to africa, and lost hundreds of pounds worth of stock). But it still affects the profit margin.

Also, I think the PayPal charge is roughly double what you can pay with a real merchant account which again, affects margin.

#14 Out of curiosity, I decided to see what exactlys being passed around. I found 2 differing versions; one is approx 146 megs, and is the original V12 we got back in 2001. It appears to be someones workspace, as it contains a few textures that weren't originally included, some precompiled utilities from the tools dir, and a zip of the demo. The other one is version 1.1 or so (2002), whatever came right after the name change, and is about 55 megs. Again, a few duplicated things are in it to beef up the size.
All in all, what they have is very old.

#15 I hate them pirates
Why some people always have to to stupid stuff like this is beyond me
get something like paypal up and running
as a working musician I have seen too many good software bits taking a dive because of those nasty critters. it is the creators of the program being pirated and the users of it that are the loosers (also in the end the pirates, but they are too stupid to see it )
not that torque seems to be in any danger at the moment but one can't be too careful.
*rant* *rant* *rant*
well that was my anti pirate speech for the day


Now I gotta find a pc and a copy of QaRK

#16 I love playing the devils advocate....

Lol... why do they do it? Because they can.
You wanna understand? Lets see.. hmm..

Do you download MP3s for free?
Do you dl movies for free?
Applications?

Once you realize you can get just about anything on the 'net for free...
Its hard not to ;-)

LMAO yeah pirates are the stupid ones?
If it wasnt so easy.... ;-)

Freedom is a great thing. And I can imagine some people giving Tork to their programmer friends tryin to get together to make somethin, or have fun.
Though thats not a Win situation, because what I payed for was not the Source Code.
If we really wanted to get it, we could have it, free. IMO What you REALLY pay for is the awesome community support.

#17 Yes. I highly doubt that the vast majority of people who are warezing Torque will ever really figure it out on their own. The GG community is invaluable to Torque development.

#18 I paid because I heard that chicks dig guys who are TGE owners...still waiting for that to happen to me...the chicks digging me part...

#19 They won't be able to work with it.. Hell, most people who DO buy a license can't do anything useful with it and they have up-to-date code and a community helping out. Doesn't matter, these people definatly aren't about to run GG into the ground.

#20 Lol yeah, you seen the old V12 code out there? good luck kiddys