Water, sea, waves and ships

#1 Hi and Welcome to where T3Dness is!

Regarding your questions
T3D has a wide range of options
realistic sea/waves is possible
but it would involve some scripting and even a couple engine changes
2 - Wind and Weather alogn with time of day is built into engine
and can be changed at runtime and defined by scripts/ triggers

i would suggest takign a look at DFasels
www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/22215
neptun Pack for T3D MIT
it costs but it would give you what you would need to start things

anyways gl with your Project guys,
it looks interesting

#2 check out Buccaneer
www.garagegames.com/community/blog/view/15757/2
was created with an older version of Torque by a couple of artists (Not programmers) if memory serves

#3 http://sundog-soft.com/sds/2013/10/triton-ocean-water-torque-3d-released/

#4 Thanks for your answers,
Triton looks really great, I already saw it when looking for an equivalent solution for Ogre3D, but it is too expensive for the project. The few money we have is used to power up a couple of server (web and ftp).

I will contact the author of Neptun, because we don't need the models, but the waves. I will contact also the guys of Buccanner, which looks also interesting.

Thanks for your links
Cheers

#5 What is the reason for changing Cryengine 2 for another engine?
Royalty pays or something else?

#6 @Awakened:
Hi,
In fact we are not "changing" the engine. We are looking for one... Currently our modelers are using the CryEngine v.3.5 SKD (Free) for testing their contents.

Initially we planned to use UDK for this project, but after one year using it, we came to the (hard) decision that it was not suitable for the game we are planning. In particular, UDK uses "fixed" scenes, which are pretty, but you cannot change the weather dynamically, you must use Flash for the GUI contents, and you cannot use very large terrains (possibly with a paging system, and a buffer around camera location).

So now we have decided to evaluate others engines BEFORE getting to this kind of issues again... Our community has merged the effort with Drake's Legacy community, who where using CryEngine for a few years, but they are almost all modelers.

We are only a few programmers but with a great community of modelers (which is often the difficult staff to find). Now one of us is trying to "bend" CryEngine to see if we can use it as we want (weather = ok, maps = +/- ok, still some questions about the vehicle class to make realistic ship behavior).

Because it is a community Volunteer project, I'd like it to be based principally on opensource software. Currently, I am testing Ogre3D graphic engine, and after a couple of month studying it I find it great, but I realize that it will take us ages to have an acceptable game engine, working on it only on free time. So I am opening a bit further the door of opensource engines and now I would like to have a look to Torque3D...

#7 Torque3D is relatively similar to CryEngine. After I build some levels in CryEngine in the past, I had no problems switching to Torque, while other engines like UDK felt kind of complicated to me.

#8 @Dunion,
really? well this is very encouraging. (Agree: it is quite painful to get "into" UDK).

#9 @Danduk82 Thank you for your answer! It was very interesting for me to read about your way and experience.I also started with CryEngine 3 free sdk, but after some time I am tired with all its limitation

#10 @Awakened,
could you be just a little bit more precise? What limitations did you find (that you do not find in T3D)? I'm very interested, because the tendency of our group is bending in direction of CE3.5, and maybe I could come with a bit more arguments ;)

BTW for what kind of project are you using T3D?

#11 First of all, I want to say that I`m not a pro, I`m just a newcomer and only area I know about (more or less) is level design. So my words don`t have a weight.
Nevertheless answering your question, I can say that you don`t have access to the source of CE3 free sdk, so if you want to realise new feature it will be done with lua mostly which has limits by its own. some features are just unavaliable, f.e. your vehicle can`t have more then 20 wheels and you can do nothing with this or you can`t switch on terrein changes in case of explosion.
Also I see crashes becouse of some problems with physics and destruction.


We want to make MMOFPS, some blend of Arma, Project Reality plus new ideas.
Here are some screenshots in CE3:
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/e56bf8cb16f31a590b87154b8d747df2.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/d55a29650036547ca52be8a4c5ef916b.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/284b3b4d1e23b5308dd94a3b532013d1.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/cad5bff6dce565f869033a5fd9dd90e2.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/ea32b89ba1c0d4e949b5823d04f85968.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/db74ee14db1fcf0be8ba12672b8cb207.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/f2e9cacc19a5a8a70f8a40e3b6874bda.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/e7f950a8de20e20f15402b63abcc9880.jpg
http://www.pixshock.net/pic_b/cd5d466395605f5bc600c6163f00c46c.jpg

Here are some screenshots in Torque 3d:
http://i57.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0908/d9/29059d8a897f7393fc9fef05706c28d9.jpg
http://www.meduzo.ru/pics/dc58b097379db9aca8b386e3cc3cda80.jpg
http://i60.fastpic.ru/big/2013/0922/13/2c3c7bef75e3169ef00e0373f1f2e313.jpg

Now I try to succed with layers and materials
http://i59.fastpic.ru/big/2013/1020/92/bb0a11ab2dabe4792ecd7b5c981f1592.png

#12 You need to increase the resolution of the basetexture.

#13 I don`t know how to increase more then to 2048

#14 Ok, you're right, it is limited to that somehow, but heightmaps can be 4096.

#15 I`m not sure about it...
As far as I know the size of heightmap is limited up to 2048

#16 Ok here is a very good Ocean c++ open source code that may work with T3D
on this link is a lot of open source for river cloud terrain etc with good real time rendering engine. Im not a c++ programmer my strong site is Modeling and Texture I do some program but for Engineering App in VB .net that is all trying now to learn c++ to jump into this wonderful game engine T3D

#17 @Ramon:
Hi, thanks for your answer. Sorry, but I guess the reference link is missing on your post. What is the web site?

Cheers

#18 Sorry for the delay on reply back , here is the link by the way click also at the top where it said Home ther you will see a lot implementation on other routine that it may work very well with T3D Im on a learn process now with Torque i will take me sometime to be capable to incorporate custom code but hope i will sometime love this engine i been looking around and play with other one but this one for some reason it keep bringing me back :-) http://vterrain.org/Water/

#19 More link for good ocean / water https://code.google.com/p/osgocean/http://fileadmin.cs.lth.se/graphics/theses/projects/projgrid/http://proland.inrialpes.fr/oceans.htmlhttp://www.typhoon3d.com/media/screenshots/water.jpghttp://www.rug.nl/science-and-society/centre-for-information-technology/research/hpcv/publications/watershader/

#20 Wow, thanks for those links. I particularly like the Proland engine developed by the french INRIA institute. I already knew their meshing tools, but not this one.

Difficult to find how to integrate it in an already built engine, but really interesting.

Thanks mate ;)