Help With Upgrading (If Possible)
by Depidesign · in Torque 3D Professional · 02/03/2012 (3:30 pm) · 8 replies
Hi GG, I have an old video card, so I'm stuck with Torque Game Engine Advance (I love it), but would like to start using Torque 3D. What, if any, would be possible Graphics Cards for my system.
System Information
System Manufactur: INTEL
System Model: DP35DP
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU @2.40GHz (4 CPUs)
Memory: 4GB
Graphic Card: GeForce 8400 GS
Display Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32bit)(59Hz)
System Information
System Manufactur: INTEL
System Model: DP35DP
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad CPU @2.40GHz (4 CPUs)
Memory: 4GB
Graphic Card: GeForce 8400 GS
Display Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32bit)(59Hz)
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#2
This is my setup:
Intel Core2Duo @ 2.9ghz
4GB 667mhz RAM
9600GT 512MB
And with a slightly populated map(2 "Station" buildings, percipitation, 30-50 PhysX objects, 6-7 vehicle meshes, 10+- pickup items, 5+- AI,2 AutoTurrets and a 2000m draw distance) I average around 200-300fps in Advanced Lighting without extra shaders such as DoF,Lightray,HDR and etc.(though I'd recommend using my Advanced OptionsDlg for the added performance and customization) and about 250-350fps w/Basic Lighting.
Even my laptop at:
AMDx2 @1.9ghz
2GB 800mhz RAM
8400m G 256mb
Is playable with the above level design w/30-70fps(Basic Lighting), though I wouldn't expect it to play a populated map in T3D without framerate issues.(just for referance)
If you are trying to keep toward the low-end specs and low-cost at the very least a 9800GT 1GB or even better a GT300+ 1GB card would work fine, the biggest problem is if your power supply can handle a more powerful card, as my 9600GT required a 26Amp 12v rail and I had to shop around for that which is an added cost.
(Edit: Nathan also raised a good point about the PCI-E bus so a new motherboard is optional aswell... $$$, I know... thats why I have what I have lol)
Note: I can only speak for nVidia cards as that's all I've owned.
02/03/2012 (8:53 pm)
While your system should run T3D fine the main problem I see with your video card is the GS aspect, GS means "Graphics Solution" which can display good graphics but not excel at displaying them.This is my setup:
Intel Core2Duo @ 2.9ghz
4GB 667mhz RAM
9600GT 512MB
And with a slightly populated map(2 "Station" buildings, percipitation, 30-50 PhysX objects, 6-7 vehicle meshes, 10+- pickup items, 5+- AI,2 AutoTurrets and a 2000m draw distance) I average around 200-300fps in Advanced Lighting without extra shaders such as DoF,Lightray,HDR and etc.(though I'd recommend using my Advanced OptionsDlg for the added performance and customization) and about 250-350fps w/Basic Lighting.
Even my laptop at:
AMDx2 @1.9ghz
2GB 800mhz RAM
8400m G 256mb
Is playable with the above level design w/30-70fps(Basic Lighting), though I wouldn't expect it to play a populated map in T3D without framerate issues.(just for referance)
If you are trying to keep toward the low-end specs and low-cost at the very least a 9800GT 1GB or even better a GT300+ 1GB card would work fine, the biggest problem is if your power supply can handle a more powerful card, as my 9600GT required a 26Amp 12v rail and I had to shop around for that which is an added cost.
(Edit: Nathan also raised a good point about the PCI-E bus so a new motherboard is optional aswell... $$$, I know... thats why I have what I have lol)
Note: I can only speak for nVidia cards as that's all I've owned.
#4
02/04/2012 (2:54 am)
@Frank - you're not trying hard enough. Build a scene with 5,000,000,000 polys comprised of 50% opacity objects that all need to be sorted.... That should do it.
#5
Thanks for the help!
02/04/2012 (8:11 am)
Thanks guys... Now I have both the knowledge and resources to fall back on to update my computer. I completely missed the opportunity regarding yesterdays "paradise" contest because by computer (With T3D) used 3.50 out of 4GBs and also used up 50% of my processing power. It was doomed to shut down at any moment. Thanks for the help!
#6
I use a single core processor (3.2ghz) with a burnt out g.card and only 2gb of ram. XD
I can run T3D smooth as butter melted in your pan under you're delicious smooth pancakes. And that's pretty smooth. So I think you should be fine.
02/06/2012 (12:28 am)
Bwahahahahahahaha!I use a single core processor (3.2ghz) with a burnt out g.card and only 2gb of ram. XD
I can run T3D smooth as butter melted in your pan under you're delicious smooth pancakes. And that's pretty smooth. So I think you should be fine.
#7
Haha! But I think your numbers are off. I think it would handle 5,000,000,000 polys, but 5,000,000,001 and all hell would break loose!
In all seriousness, I think 4GB memory should be enough unless you are doing something really detailed/heavy. But if you are maxing it out then maybe you do need 8 or 16 GB of ram. That might need a new motherboard. I assume you are running 64 bit Windows 7 otherwise you would not be using more than 3.25 GB ram. Check this out. Maybe a new motherboard is needed to max ram usage even in 64bit Windows 7.
Also, I just checked my ram usage and I am 2.79GB out of 4GB. I am not doing a whole lot right now. I am guessing most of it is being eaten by Firefox, Visual C++, and Thunderbird.
Maybe Richard is right. Maybe I am just not trying hard enough.
02/06/2012 (1:31 am)
@Richard,Haha! But I think your numbers are off. I think it would handle 5,000,000,000 polys, but 5,000,000,001 and all hell would break loose!
In all seriousness, I think 4GB memory should be enough unless you are doing something really detailed/heavy. But if you are maxing it out then maybe you do need 8 or 16 GB of ram. That might need a new motherboard. I assume you are running 64 bit Windows 7 otherwise you would not be using more than 3.25 GB ram. Check this out. Maybe a new motherboard is needed to max ram usage even in 64bit Windows 7.
Also, I just checked my ram usage and I am 2.79GB out of 4GB. I am not doing a whole lot right now. I am guessing most of it is being eaten by Firefox, Visual C++, and Thunderbird.
Maybe Richard is right. Maybe I am just not trying hard enough.
#8
Brand
IntelModelBOXDP35DPM
CPU Socket
TypeLGA 775
CPU Type
Core 2 Quad
FSB
1333/1066MHz
Chipsets North Bridge
Intel P35
Number of Memory Slots
4×240pin
Memory Standard
DDR2 800
Maximum Memory Supported
8GB
Channel Supported
Dual Channel
PCI Express x16
1
PCI Express x1
3
PCI Slots
3
Storage Device PATA
1 x ATA100 2 Dev. Max
Storage Device SATA 3Gb/s
6
02/09/2012 (7:06 pm)
Below is te full spec... Now based on my search, I will most definately will have to get a new mother board but the money is not there for that. So in the meantime will have to buy something that will do me wicked justice. Hopefully, I (might?) get some alternative results with the information below. That GGC for the help!Brand
IntelModelBOXDP35DPM
CPU Socket
TypeLGA 775
CPU Type
Core 2 Quad
FSB
1333/1066MHz
Chipsets North Bridge
Intel P35
Number of Memory Slots
4×240pin
Memory Standard
DDR2 800
Maximum Memory Supported
8GB
Channel Supported
Dual Channel
PCI Express x16
1
PCI Express x1
3
PCI Slots
3
Storage Device PATA
1 x ATA100 2 Dev. Max
Storage Device SATA 3Gb/s
6
Torque Owner Nathan Martin
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So, yes you can upgrade to a much newer video card, but your motherboard will be a bottle neck for heavy system bus usage games like Battlefield 3. As for Torque 3D your system would be perfectly fine and you will see a big performance increase using a newer and better video card, as I did see myself when I upgraded from a GeForce 8600 GTS card with just 256MMB DDR3 RAM.