Building a monster computer
by mijle2003 · in Hardware Issues · 11/02/2011 (8:23 pm) · 6 replies
I just got a order a copy of Autodesk 2010, however I, running out of space on my computer. Now it's time to build a new "Beast" I want to her to run lighting fast. These are the programs that I have now, and looking to upgrade in the future
Adobe CS5
Autodesck 2010
Corel 14
COrel Painter
Torque 3 D
Are there any suggention on how I should build her, moreover I was considering using 8g of ram. I would like to see what deveploper would have to say, be nice with the pricing I have about 2700hunderd buck to use
Adobe CS5
Autodesck 2010
Corel 14
COrel Painter
Torque 3 D
Are there any suggention on how I should build her, moreover I was considering using 8g of ram. I would like to see what deveploper would have to say, be nice with the pricing I have about 2700hunderd buck to use
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Current student at the Central Michigan University, also enrolled at the game instutite taking C++ hope to one day make a game on dealing in the Seroius Games and Games of health
#2
If you are buying a i7 quad make sure you do your research. In the research ive done the actual clock speed and cycles were better on the 860 then on the higher models of the chips. So i bought it and tested it vs a friends higher chip and yes i got higher speeds. This means bigger is not always better.
As per the advice above highest clock on the ram is not always best. The one thing i noticed is the higher the clock speed on a ram chip the smaller the packet it can carry. This means the higher clock ram works well on programs that use small packets which most of the ones you posted do. But any autodesk program likes larger packets with alot of info in them so I found it runs better on ram with a modest clock cycle (Dont go too low though or you lose speed). Overall though higher is usually the best way to go. remember DDR3 is also the only ram you should use.
Last but not least, your video card. The big arguement nvidia vs radeon. Nvidea and radeon are better at different things example Nvidia does better at physics then a radeon card but on the other hand the Radeon has a higher raw fps. This is more a matter of preference and what your game needs more from your machine in development. Choose somthing good dont go too extravigent and if possible get a motherboard that supports crossfire and get 2 vid cards crossfired as this works very well i use it and will never go back. lastly dont skimp on vid card ram it does make a difference and look at scorecard and comparison and get the best bang for your buck. Remember that not every gamer uses the top of the line but if your gonna take awhile to build your game you should use top of the line or close to it so that when your game is released your vid card is still high on the charts.
11/03/2011 (7:42 am)
SSD is much faster than most hardrives and much more stable as long as you go v2 as v1 had some stability issues (Refered to as jitter). But any SSD is faster than a regular HDD. but there expensive so i would say install your OS and autocad on the SSD and everything else on a regular hard drive for best effect. Also smaller harddrives raided is much better than large hard drives as the seek time is much more stable and quick and it can seek multiple harddrives at the same time if raided.If you are buying a i7 quad make sure you do your research. In the research ive done the actual clock speed and cycles were better on the 860 then on the higher models of the chips. So i bought it and tested it vs a friends higher chip and yes i got higher speeds. This means bigger is not always better.
As per the advice above highest clock on the ram is not always best. The one thing i noticed is the higher the clock speed on a ram chip the smaller the packet it can carry. This means the higher clock ram works well on programs that use small packets which most of the ones you posted do. But any autodesk program likes larger packets with alot of info in them so I found it runs better on ram with a modest clock cycle (Dont go too low though or you lose speed). Overall though higher is usually the best way to go. remember DDR3 is also the only ram you should use.
Last but not least, your video card. The big arguement nvidia vs radeon. Nvidea and radeon are better at different things example Nvidia does better at physics then a radeon card but on the other hand the Radeon has a higher raw fps. This is more a matter of preference and what your game needs more from your machine in development. Choose somthing good dont go too extravigent and if possible get a motherboard that supports crossfire and get 2 vid cards crossfired as this works very well i use it and will never go back. lastly dont skimp on vid card ram it does make a difference and look at scorecard and comparison and get the best bang for your buck. Remember that not every gamer uses the top of the line but if your gonna take awhile to build your game you should use top of the line or close to it so that when your game is released your vid card is still high on the charts.
#3
Case: Antec Lanboy air Red Black / Red ATX Mid Tower Computer Modular Case
Mobo: Intel BOXDX58SO2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7970
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
2nd SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
(RAID 0)
GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
2nd GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX850 (CMPSU-850HX) 850W
BAY: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - OEM
CPU FAN: ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED 120mm 2 Ball Low-noise Blue LED CPU Cooler
11/03/2011 (9:49 am)
here's the desktop i was planning on building a few months ago for 3D rendering, pretty high-end and within your budget with money to spare. Comes out to $2,413.89 on neweggCase: Antec Lanboy air Red Black / Red ATX Mid Tower Computer Modular Case
Mobo: Intel BOXDX58SO2 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: Intel Core i7-970 Gulftown 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7970
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 24GB (6 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
2nd SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
(RAID 0)
GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
2nd GFX: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX850 (CMPSU-850HX) 850W
BAY: SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-222AB - OEM
CPU FAN: ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED 120mm 2 Ball Low-noise Blue LED CPU Cooler
#4
I would also recommend building your own vs. buying pre-made in your case, if you have some technical knowledge.
But, if money wasn't an issue, Falcon Northwest makes some kick-ass machines: http://www.falcon-nw.com/
11/04/2011 (12:54 pm)
Jonathan has good taste in hardware. :)I would also recommend building your own vs. buying pre-made in your case, if you have some technical knowledge.
But, if money wasn't an issue, Falcon Northwest makes some kick-ass machines: http://www.falcon-nw.com/
#5
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlNqrSEpZzWKdElIc1ktLTlzSmQtVU1UMGNmd3NjYUE...
The simple specs would be CPU: Core i7-2700K (3.5GHz), 16GB of RAM, 2x2TB (4TB) HDDs, 120GB SSD, 1250w PSU, 2x 22" monitors, a razer mouse, razer keyboard, corsair liquid CPU cooler, and a corsair 600T case.
Its $3300, without the screen/keyboard/mouse, take ~$540 off of that price, which is ~$2800.
Without the SSD, you can take another $200 form the price. Without it, you still have 4TB of storage.
The CPU is (currently) the fastest on the planet (until a week or 2 when the new line of i7's come out), the GTX 590 is one of the most powerful gcards on the planet. (i put one in the list, my plan is to get a second one when they are much cheaper and put it in SLI)
If your serious about buying a new PC though, I would wait for the new Sandy Bridge E processors to come out (they say November 14th, so could be then or much later) and the new X79 chipset motherboards to come out. (around the same time)
EDIT: forgot to mention, newegg has all of the parts on that list except for the PSU
and that that build has all but a dvd drive. You can pick a blu ray drive up for $100-$200 more.
11/06/2011 (9:02 pm)
Here is the parts list for the PC im planning on building:docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlNqrSEpZzWKdElIc1ktLTlzSmQtVU1UMGNmd3NjYUE...
The simple specs would be CPU: Core i7-2700K (3.5GHz), 16GB of RAM, 2x2TB (4TB) HDDs, 120GB SSD, 1250w PSU, 2x 22" monitors, a razer mouse, razer keyboard, corsair liquid CPU cooler, and a corsair 600T case.
Its $3300, without the screen/keyboard/mouse, take ~$540 off of that price, which is ~$2800.
Without the SSD, you can take another $200 form the price. Without it, you still have 4TB of storage.
The CPU is (currently) the fastest on the planet (until a week or 2 when the new line of i7's come out), the GTX 590 is one of the most powerful gcards on the planet. (i put one in the list, my plan is to get a second one when they are much cheaper and put it in SLI)
If your serious about buying a new PC though, I would wait for the new Sandy Bridge E processors to come out (they say November 14th, so could be then or much later) and the new X79 chipset motherboards to come out. (around the same time)
EDIT: forgot to mention, newegg has all of the parts on that list except for the PSU
and that that build has all but a dvd drive. You can pick a blu ray drive up for $100-$200 more.
#6
On the other hand, graphics applications are memory hogs. I'm not sure exactly what all you use from Adobe and Autodesk, but in my own workflow I've found that it is really nice to be able to have all of my applications open at the same time and be able to switch between them quickly. I've got 32G of RAM with 2 striped 1TB Caviar Black HDDs and I can have Illustrator, Photoshop, Maya, ZBrush, several instances of Visual Studio 2010, and Torque3D all running at the same time, and everything is instantaneous. Having SSDs would save me about a minute a day.
11/11/2011 (3:11 pm)
I would just recommend that if you're running into budget limits at the end, spend more on RAM and less on your hard drives. For what you're apparently using it for, the only real benefit from an SSD will be your applications will load a little faster. It will have very little effect on your workflow. On the other hand, graphics applications are memory hogs. I'm not sure exactly what all you use from Adobe and Autodesk, but in my own workflow I've found that it is really nice to be able to have all of my applications open at the same time and be able to switch between them quickly. I've got 32G of RAM with 2 striped 1TB Caviar Black HDDs and I can have Illustrator, Photoshop, Maya, ZBrush, several instances of Visual Studio 2010, and Torque3D all running at the same time, and everything is instantaneous. Having SSDs would save me about a minute a day.
Ray Delia
SK Studios
Go for the highest speed core you can afford. Make sure the motherboard has all the features you need, and supports the fastest and most RAM your budget can handle.
Don't skimp on the video card!
A discreet raid controller with striped drives for you main OS will make a huge difference as well. just back up regularly, or is you have the cash, run a mirrored stripe. Again, fastest drives you can find, 7,200 RPM or 10,000 RPM :)
Some people will argue for SSD. I don't have enough faith in them yet.
Don't install a Windows OS unless you get the Professional version or higher. (pro or ultimate) Don't get a server OS for design apps.