Long Running Whinge = Console + Tidle + Non US Keyboard

#1 I feel your pain. I'm on Brazilian Portuguese keyboards, and the key that goes where tilde should be is the quote key... which makes it impossible to type quoted strings in the console.

The very first thing I do when creating a new Torque project is to go to default.bind.cs and change "tilde" to "alt tilde". Been doing that for so many years I forgot about it.

#2 i like to remap the console-bringer-upper to ctrl-capslock,
just to screw with .. uh, me.

Steve are you a Brit ? I thought "whinge" was a Canadian thing.

#3 Tilde needs alt/cmd here, and the upper left key isn't even anywhere near the same functionality on Mac and Windows. The defaults should at least have some sort of backup key combination, avoiding ctrl combinations (since OS global commands use that a lot on OS X).

Shift-backspace is special enough to not be hit accidentally, and probably not a global key, for example.

#4 @Orion
As British as tea and bad teeth, old fellow.

#5 Oh I feel your pain Steve, bugs the hell out of me

#6 I agree this is annoying. On my keyboard it's a % for the tilde :(

And more if you add the bug when you have a window opened (like connect screen), you key is echoed back to the console edittextctrl :(

#7 @steve lol !
the big book of british similies is like .. well, something.

glad to know it's a commonwealth word. akaif us yanks don't use it. but we ought.

#8 Any word on this? It was logged back in Beta 1 under this thread
http://www.garagegames.com/community/forums/viewthread/90371

OmrothDPG in IRC was just asking, and I couldn't find an answer.

#9 It seems to me that if we went back to using the key at the location of ` or ~ on US keyboards, it would similarly run the chance of being a key with another important function on some keyboards. Is that a valid concern?

Maybe the only true solution for everyone is to have a locality lookup / map to a key on that keyboard which is both not used for other purposes by the engine and does not serve an important purpose in general typing in the language / keyboard. Although the console toggle key is exposed as a pref.

Thoughts? Does anyone have experience with how this is dealt with in other engines / games / dev sdks?

Actually I am a little concerned about how this might also be affecting gameplay level keybinds. For example wasd movement on a keyboard with those keys in different locations. Or is wasd standard among all language keyboards at this point?

#10 Thoughts ... I'm not actually sure how it works.
keybind says "tilde", tidlekey ~ isn't the one that gets used, it's the one next to it.

It's just that this didn't happen in TGE/A and that software wasn't localized for my UK keyboard. Also just editing the keybind doesn't move this console function.

*shrugs* so I'm a bit baffled.

As for wasd, that should be fine on any qwerty, but not sure about azerty.
Never actually seen an azerty keyboard.

#11 Look, just use US keyboards. They're better ;p

Or, perhaps the world should adopt Dvorak keyboards.

Or, hell with it! Just get the Speech SDK and go voice. "Console!" and there it is....

#12 Coming back to this thread, as somehow I missed it, and Im mostly interested in the issue solved.

@James: as far as Im aware of, any latin language keyboard is querty based, so the letter keys have minor changes, mostly to the right of the map, near the enter key.

In my case, the misery is that I not only have the console by default activated by an unintended key, but also I cannot map the original key, behind the ESC, which is reported as backslash, "//" (what is odd, as it is not. I have "º", "ª" and "\" in that key).

Is anyone else getting this? Maybe is because is recognized as an escape character?

#13 @Novak, yeah I tried mapping it to the proper tidle key near ESC but no joy.

Now ... did a Dev tell me this was fixed? Or am I now hallucinating?

... too much info to remember ... too little HD space inside my head ...

#14 Rene posted somewhere that it was on the todolist, but it was probably censored by the 'we dont give a damn about non USA customers' depratment. :p

every other game in the world know what that key is for
every gamer in the world knows what that key is for

i'm surely looking forward to telling everone outside of the US that they have to reconfigure their keyboard every time they play any T3D game.

just out of beliggerant curiousity why did the keyboard handling get mangled?

#15 Mapping the numpad minus key does not seem to work also (a very old bug).

#16 Bump for this... I Would like to see this solved as much as, I think, every non US T3D licensee... are we so few??? :-/