NEED JAVA 2 Programmer & Consultant

#1 how much does this pay?

The more dead presidents in a stack the more DEDICATED and SERIOUS I can be :)

#2 You should try http://www.javagaming.org too.
Fine site for Java&Games.

#3 Do we get free agfrag thongs? ;)

#4 The thong in question :)

Quote:
"These thongs are made for strutting! Perfect for any type of low rise pants, these panties are made to fit low. Combed cotton baby rib with an exclusive high end woven trim makes these panties look and feel like no other."

-J

#5 With all due respect, who in the hell would sign a work contract to work at a non-paying job?

And yes, the vague promise of possible future royalities should some profit be made IS a non-paying job in 99.9999....(where the 9s stretch out virtually to infinity)% of all cases.

Insanity...

#6 You should probably post a project and a help wanted ad. You much more likely to find someone that way.

You should also post more details.

- Steve Fletcher

#7 I have only one question.

Why Java? If you want one person who will be the sole coder, what does it matter which language they choose to use?

#8 Answer: REALarcade Contest.

Contracts are, and should be included in all forms of business, whether you make money or not, keeps people in check. You should have contracts & agreements especially if there's money involved.

Thanks to those that responded, and have offered really good advice.

BTW, our female models look really good in the AGFRAG thong...

Do you need one?

Xhadoe
www.agfrag.com

#9 Here is a lesson Joseph, contracts are not enforceable unless they are EQUITABLE.

Which means, if someone does work for you, regardless of they have signed, if they don't receive anything equitable in turn the contract is un-enforcable in the US anyway.

Which means if someone does like the coder on the Russian Front mod, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it unless that person has received EQUITABLE compensation for the work, which means PONY UP SOME CASH.

Also, impling that Java skills are not in demand shows what a COMPLETE LACK of UNDERSTANDING you have about anything related to software development or the industry in general and definately will NOT gain any respect from anyone that really knows how to code.

#10 Sigh...big sigh...

You know, this is really depressing. I see so many projects needing programmers. Of course, the programmer doesn't get any immediate pay, yet must be "totally dedicated to our project." Hell no.

Do you non-programming guys know how difficult it is to be a programmer and keep up on current developing standards, new languages, various syntax styles, good coding practices, industry trends, not to mention writing solid, revisionable code? It is a never-ending quest for knowledge. I love pursuing that quest; to gain knowledge is a noble, self-improving trait common among us programmers.

But all I ever see is these types of projects that offer nothing but a promise of a future pay that is never to come. I'm fucking sick of it, I'm sorry if I'm being rude here, but this is too fucked up. Programming is one of THE most difficult, complex jobs on the planet. Forgive my blatant selfishness, but I've worked for free too many times on such projects, and I will say loudly that programmers deserve more than being offered non-paying jobs.

#11 Eh...none of these jobs pay in general, programming, art, project management, etc. That's life. If you are looking for a 50-100k a year job this is the wrong place.

#12 I know, like I said, I've worked on many indie non-paying projects. Maybe it's just me, but I am feeling like software engineers aren't given the respect they deserve. I buy programming books, read materials on the web, attend software development workshops - so much invested on my part without much being given in return...maybe it's just me, but I feel like programmers are, often times, unfairly treated, not only in many indie projects, but in big business as well. We write a project then get laid off, or get our jobs outsourced to India. :P

Don't get me wrong, I love my job and that's why I continue to do it. But I felt the need, as a programmer, to speak up on this issue, which I believe is a very important one facing many of today's software developers.

I hope I'm not coming across as a whining nag, my intent isn't to complain, but to speak up about the negative trends I am seeing. Heh and this post about wanting a free programmer just bumped be a bit over the edge. :)

#13 I work as an independant consultant doing mostly C++ and Java coding. These days mostly Java. I earn $75/hr because times are hard and I have lowered my fees. The companies that I work for pay$100/hr for me (the agency that placed me there gets the other $25).

If you want to inspire someone with some Java coding skills to work for free you will have to do better at inspiring people. A vague description of the project and a vague promise of benifits down-the-line will not inspire people. There have been whole threads on this site discussing the topic of how to inspire people to join your team. You mind find those helpful.

#14 The game involves creating random levels & enemy placement,etc based on a certain type of file data & other key gameplay aspects, which one of our team members in the Netherlands came up with.

I'm glad some people make $75 an hour programming. Some of us aren't so lucky, and are aiming to try & win the REALarcade contest ($100,000) so we can pay off some bills & work on our other projects, its a big deal to us.
(I have 42% of my income goes to my kids for child support (which is fine by me), not to mention 25% for taxes. Wanna try & guess how I live?)

If I shouldn't have said "work contract", I'm sorry. But people DO sign & have to adhere to NDAs & contracts keeping IPs with the company or creator (whatever the case may be) & there are clauses for being lazy, not on time & schedule, abandoning the project, etc. When you accept that dollar for a work contract, you are then bound to that as well.

Just because some of us don't get paid what we view as "the big bucks", doesn't mean some of us won't protect out butts against slackers & IP theft.

Regardless if its $100 an hour, or 100 monopoly(R) dollars an hour ;) , you should take a project you're going to work on as serious as if you were going to be paid, whether you are or not.

The potential payoff (for the REALarcade contest) is $100,000 split 3 ways after taxes, or for the second place of $20,000 split 3 ways after taxes. Whether we win or not, we should have fun doing it, and it adds to our experience & portfolios.

PAAALEEEASSEEEEE stop doing personal attacks on GG forums. Its a waste of space, typing & people's reading time. Plus no one cares. Go to Gamedev.net or fatbabies.com for social amusement.

No one ever has a stupid question. You learn by asking.

So, would anyone be interested in one or all of our female models doing a swimsuit calendar for gamers?

-Xhadoe
www.agfrag.com

Thanks to everyone for the feedback & advice.

#15 I'm not trying to single you out Joseph, it was not meant as a personal attack. :)

#16 No worries ;)

#17 I think you need to re-read the official rules. I can see at least three things that would make your entry ineligable. But to be fair they're worded so badly I doubt it's actually possible to produce a game that could achieve them.

Can't say I liked Real much as a company, and this 'contest' doesn't improve my view of them at all.

Skilled programmers are usually rather busy people, if you want 'free' work and people to sign contracts etc. for it you'll get a lot of opposition. And with nothing to demo your (teams) commitment up front i'd put your chances at slim to none. If you have nearly complete art assets, level designs, game design, music sound etc. then convincing a programmer to join should be easy.

#18 Why would a "professional" programmer want to work for FREE just so they MIGHT win a third of a price when they could work for FREE and MIGHT win the ENTIRE prize?

Joseph, if you just spent half the time you spend on these "get rich quick off other people working for free schemes" on actually learning some skills need to produce software or games you might get a little more respect from potential "partners".

See if you pay someone nothing or a lowball figure you have to make them your PARTNER in the venture because they are assuming some risk along with you, where as if you PAID them, which I believe you would HAVE to in order to qualify for this contest, they would not be assuming ANY RISK.

Every second someone works for FREE! Is a second they are not working towards working for PAY.
And on top of this, you want to insult your slave labor with un-enforceable contracts and CYA clauses and basically assume they are out to screw you from the get go? You seem to want to treat everyone as an "bad employee" when in fact they are NOT getting paid much less working for you.

And I will state this a second time, for those that don't read for comprehension.

If you don't pay someone for something EQUITABLE your "work contract" will be un-enforceable, null and void, plain and simple and there have been hundreds if not thousands of cases setting the precident for this, it is easy to look up on the web.

Which means having someone else write this game for you will disqualify it because you, the entrant do not OWN the rights to the game. Thus the statement about about it not qualifing to begin with.

Also here is a hint, no one cares about your poor judgement in life in the past, sap stories about how you got it bad will not endear anyone to work on your schemes for FREE, they actually make you look less reputable and less trustworthy and flaky.

We all have problems, and child support is not a reason for not being able to pay people for there work, it is an excuse, there is a difference, and worse it is a lame excuse. Living in bum-hick east TN is not helping your situation either, it is not what you could call a thriving techology driven econonmy.

And thinking that people that make $75 an hour is that they are more FORTUNATE than you is your main reason you will never get a game published.
You are confusing LUCK with FORTUNE. Paul is not making $75 an hour by CHANCE, or some other RANDOM event.
He spent a great amount of time and effort positioning himself to be able to make that kind of money.

The defintion of LUCK:
Being able to take advantage of opportunity when it presents itself!

Which means Paul made sure that when he was presented with the POSSIBLITY of making $75 an hour he was able to take advantage of it.

To translate this to this thread, if you had spent time learning how to program you would be in the position to take advantage of the POSSIBLITY of winning this contest, as it is you are NOT in that position.

If you had spent time learning how to make model or animate you would be in a position to draw a team around you to create a game and attract like minded programmers.

Read this three times before you go looking to start more projects

This is a nice amazon list for reading also.

#19 Yikes! I'll wait for the movie.