Homeland Security: Protecting our ... interests?

#21 Of course. in my school we have to do the pledge of allegiance now (New hampshire). You can choose not to do it, but they require you to stop in the halls to respect people who do. I never do that, and neither do a lot of other anti-americans I know. People just don't give a shit, and its mostly brought around thanks to 9/11. Screw that bullshit, I couldn't honestly care how many people died even if my own parents were there, much worse things have happened to other countries. We never cry for them. A friend was sent to the office for walking in the hall, he told them that he wasn't going to stop in the hall because he didn't feel like he needed to stop walking in order to pay any respect.

#22 If you ask me, I would say the US govt had something to do with 9/11. They have evidence that the FBI knew it was going to happen. Why didnt they stop it? Homeland Security. It was good for the govt that it happened. It helped them push their agenda of world domination and complete population control. This is it kids, the big one we knew would happen all along. Just wait and watch, thats all we can do.

I am tired of the govt being involved in my personal life, and I dont think it will take much more for others to feel the same way.

When I hear about the HS, I think of the KGB and the SS.

#23 It seems the 'me, me, me' philosophy is getting quite popular.

#24 The government is pressing for a law to force everyone to get vaccinations that the government tells them to.

They stand at the line.

#25 I think vaccinations are one thing, as long as they aren't implanting microchips, i'm fine with the idea of not getting something like polio or smallpox. Tyler, could you explain what you are referring to about the "me me me" stuff? Are you saying that in a negative way or in a positive way?

#26 Its only a matter of time before the KGB and the SS get the right to use force. By that time I'll probably be carrying a gun to school.

#27 Not only will they force you to get vaccinations (or go to jail) but doctors will be forced to give them, or they go to jail. Wait until they want to give us some untested "emergency" drug and it kills everybody. There was a smallpox vaccine they used to give that they have now proven contains high levels of mercury, that in small children and fetuss affects the brain and causes neurological dysfunctions. Also these laws allow them to destroy your "tainted" property and receive no compensation whatsoever. Somebody will abuse this I guarantee it.

#28 Of course they will, entropy. And that is why i fear that a gun to the nurse's head will be the most effective way of avoiding that.

#29 If the armed guards dont get you first!

#30 Okay, the paranoia on this thread is really getting quite tired... And to the guy who doesn't care how many died at the towers, maybe you should have been in the area. I guarantee that watching it as it happened would have changed your mind, especially if you knew people in there...

Then again, if you don't care about 3,000 people dying then you probably wouldn't care if it happened in your face. And all the talk about putting guns to nurses heads really doesn't gain any respect, because all it says is that you only stand up to those you see as weaker than you, and you probably have power/control issues.

People can flame me for this, but I just don't care because I'm pretty pissed at what's been said by a few. And I don't have to mention the name because the comment I made should say it all.

#31 *paranoid people*

Since when did Garage Games become a forum for the liberal leftist anti-Bush community?

"The US government flew the planes into the WTC towers themselves..."

Ha! Next thing you know, they'll find some way to blame this on Jews...o wait, I forgot, they already have.

#32 Ted: If you want to come flame a thread, you should be a little more prepared.

"Okay, the paranoia on this thread is really getting quite tired... And to the guy who doesn't care how many died at the towers, maybe you should have been in the area. I guarantee that watching it as it happened would have changed your mind, especially if you knew people in there... "

Who are you referring to? I didn't see anything on this thread saying that they didnt give a shit about the people who died. Learn to read before you go putting words into peoples mouths. If you think the thread is tired then go start your own damn anti-paranoid thread.


"Then again, if you don't care about 3,000 people dying then you probably wouldn't care if it happened in your face. And all the talk about putting guns to nurses heads really doesn't gain any respect, because all it says is that you only stand up to those you see as weaker than you, and you probably have power/control issues. "
Again you arent reading or even thinking about what we are talking about here, troll. I fail to see why putting a gun to a nurses head who is *forcing* you to take a possibly poisonous injection is "standing up to somebody weaker than you" and why it indicates power/control issues. Explain further if you want to make a point.

"People can flame me for this, but I just don't care because I'm pretty pissed at what's been said by a few. And I don't have to mention the name because the comment I made should say it all."

Reread this thread. Just because you are pissed off about something that happened does not mean that we did it. Go blow your steam at somebody you have a reason to wave your tiny fist at. Also, mentioning names *might* help clarify the point you intended to make, which has totally passed over my head. It doesnt seem to be based on anything that has been said here. Just because 9/11 happened doesnt mean we have to talk about it with a bleeding heart. If this insults you then I guess it's your problem. Should we whine and weep every time we talk about cancer, or aids, or WW2? Not likely. And nobody here said anything about not giving a shit about those people.


If you want to flame do it right. Use quotes and names.

/End Lesson

#33 Entropy, you're not teaching a lesson, lol... But I'll humor you just the same.

"Screw that bullshit, I couldn't honestly care how many people died even if my own parents were there, much worse things have happened to other countries."
- Alex Jacobs, Nov 16 @ 13:32

So I wasn't the one who needed to learn to read...

Read it a few times if you don't believe that I saw what I saw in that. If you don't like that I like it, tough. You want to spout your own opinion and get mad when someone else states his? Tough.

And for your information, any vaccine give to you has a chance of infection. Including flu, anthrax, smallpox(which has been used for decades, mind you), etc. And if there was an outbreak and you pulled a gun on a nurse trying to protect you? What a load of horsecrap. That's just pathetic banter made to sound tough on protecting oneself from the all-seeing, all-controlling govt.

And the laws for such circumstances have been around for a *very* long time. Just ask FEMA. Or maybe you like anthrax. Personally, I'll take my chances with the vaccine rather than the disease.

"Just because you are pissed off about something that happened does not mean that we did it."

I never blamed anyone here for it, talk about putting words in mouths. I just wanted to get off my chest how this kind of paranoia has been around for years and according to every paranoid, we should have been in lockdown in the 70's.

I also wanted to get off my chest exactly what I said about the comment about putting a gun to a nurses head, and I don't have to explain that because it's obvious. Take a psyche class.

And no, we don't need to talk about 9/11 with a bleeding heart, but when someone says they don't care how many died there even if their parents were there, they should make sure of the company they say that in. If they said that about cancer or AIDS, or WW2, they'd get the same damn response, and it's all their fault. He can say what he wants, it's a free internet mostly, but what goes along with saying what you want is having people respond.

And if people don't want a response they don't like, then they should keep it to themselves. And if people think they should jump into an argument because they didn't get the message, then the message wasn't for them, was it? I wasn't unprepared at all, I was talking directly to the person who said it without saying a name, which concerns noone but me and him.

/End Lesson

#34 "Paranoia! Paranoia! Everybody's coming to get me! just say you never met me"

hehe. I don't think those comments were aimed at me, but I still want to respond. Admitedly, I know I'm paranoid. I don't deny it. I do try to not let it get out of hand though. However, I strongly believe that if we don't stand up and fight for certain things, we will definitely regret it later one. How many people do you think wished after the fact that they had not let Hitler slowly take control of Germany leading up to WW2. Not that I'm comparing our situation to Nazi Germany.

I love this country. Or at least what it used to be. This is/was a republic. It was founded to fight an oppresive state (England). The people who founded it knew very well the excesses people in power could take if left unchecked. That's why they specifically put in very limited restrictions to their powers as well as clearly defining citizen's individual basic untouchable rights. Our founding fathers weren't idiots. And while things have changed in 200+ years, it would be naive of us that _some_ people in power would not try to take advantage of their position of power to further themselves (at citizen's expenses). This is why, I greatly value our fore father's opinions.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" -- Thomas Jefferson

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -- George Washington

I like to post quotes. :)

Seriously though. You can criticize for being overly paranoid, but I believe that not caring is worse. You don't have to hate government, but to trust it blindly will never be a good thing. This is a good article on the matter. We got to remember why we're fighting this so called war on terrorism: to protect our _free_ country. Don't forget that.

I don't think we want to let our country get to the point where we've given up the very things were fighting for, do we? We have to be very careful because we're on a very slippery path to fascist authoritarian state hidden by a veil of democracy. I can't belive that people put up with the fact that we have only two parties. It's absurd. How do all people fall into either category A or B. All political issues can't possibly grouped in just two opposing views. Add to that that the 2 parties resemble each other more and more every day...well, it sure doesn't feel very democratic anymore.

You really want cameras on every public space like in London? Do you really the police to be able to pull you over without any reason whatsoever (like in a few european countries? Do you really want a national ID? Do you want to be sent to jail if you're ever in public without it?

As for Alex, obviously, he seems to be quite angry. I don't think I would put a gun to a nurse's head, or carry one in school, but I understand the frustration he's trying to express. He seems to be upset with the things are. However, guns are not really going to solve his problems. The nurse would just be doing her job, just like the guy operating the cameras, or the cops pulling you over. Like I said, if you want to fight back, if you want to prevent losing more of your freedoms, either move (actually, I hate it when people say that to me), or stop supporting your government financially.

The fact is you have to make a choice. You can choose between a false of security, or your individual freedoms...or you can just choose to ignore everything, and let things happen. I know it sounds cliche and all, but do you really want your child or grand-child to ask you one day: "Where were you when the US government got out of control, and why didn't you stop it when you could?". Seems silly, doesn't it? Like it could never happen, right? Well, I sure as well hope it doesn't happen.

As to this "me, me, me" attitude. I don't know exactly what you mean by that. If you're assuming that I don't care for others, you are truely mistaken. I wish everyone happiness, and the freedom to achieve this happiness. I just don't want people to tell me what to do and how to live my life, and to watch everything I do, when I hurt noone.

#35 What is the problem with a national ID card? We already have the drivers license, passports, social security cards, etc.

I understand many objections to many government intrusions but this is one I don't get. It's a card that identifies you...is that really a terrible thing? Is it our "right" to conduct ourselves with total anonymity?

So you carry a card around with you that is linked to you and proves you are who you say... How is this a problem, other than when you are trying to operate under false pretenses?

So an airport or a nightclub or whatever requires an ID card rather than a driver's license...so?

The problem with slippery slope arguments is that you can make them for literally everything. First they pass a law against libel, then they revoke freedom of speech. First they pass a law against cop killer bullets, then they ban guns...first they pass a law requiring ID cards, then they pass a law allowing you to be arrested for not carrying it with you on the street...

Rather than get hung up on what *could* happen down the slope, draw the line and rally against the things that matter. If someone wanted to pass a law saying that you could be arrested for walking on the street without an ID card I would be against it. But if someone wanted to create a national ID card that was required for the same places that require an ID today I would be all for it.

People are concerned about giving up freedoms, but should you really have the freedom to walk into an airport with less than stellar identification? I don't see how that is a huge inconvenience or some inalienable right. You don't have the right to just do anything you want...maybe I want to carry a gun onto a plane, but that is hardly my "right."

#36 Yacine, I agree with about 85% of what you said in that post. Paranoia should never get out of hand, and yes, the two party system sucks. One thing that I don't know if many people know...

At least here in NYC, you *can* be arrested for being on the street without ID. It's a very obscure law, but as far as I know, it's been around for years and does get enforced on the very rare occasion. Not that I favor a national ID card, I've seen enough fakes of other ID's to know that that will just be faked too and make it a waste of time and money(you know kids will do it just to get into clubs).

But nor do I favor the sky-is-falling approach that some do. Cast votes to politicians that want to do things, but not too many things and not go too far with them, and things will be okay. Not that I like politicians, but their main motivation is reelection. And that right there is the single thing that stops any of them from doing any "doomsday" laws. Not that I think many of them would want to do any... But that's just me.

#37 This is the last place I would expect to see such blatant blind paranoia. "Guns to nurses heads," LMAO. Everyone is tough on the internet :p

I would like to point out that "forced vaccination" has already happened to every one of you (if American, not sure about other countries). Remember the "school shots?" See? Now if the mean old nasty government (SS, LMAO) wanted to get rid of you, they could have then.

It's tempting to say that those that fear the government is poisoning them with vaccinations, should not be allowed to be vaccinated. Then, nature will take care of the problem. Simple natural selection.

As far as Bushy's plans go, it's very natural for any human being to have a knee-jerk reaction to things like 9/11. Then again, our country has checks and balances to keep any political individual in check.

One other thing, it's oh so easy to bitch about what's wrong. It's worlds harder to solve the core problem. So we don't vaccinate the country against smallpox, how do you propose we curb an outbreak when those freaked fundamentalists nail us with it? You wouldn't go into a gunfight without a bullet proof vest. Wait, maybe you would.

#38 This is obvious flame bait.

#39 Mac, Ted, Judah, and James sound like the most kept together individuals here. Entropy, yo, I usually enjoy reading your posts, but I gotta say that your response to Ted was an ignorant one. That guy really did say that he didn't care about the WTC people. And pointing a gun to someone's head that is "forcing you to take a possibly poisonous drug"...the nurses didn't mandate it, the government did. When you retaliate in such a manner to someone who isn't responsible, you only create anarchy. The only retaliation that I've heard on this post that is civilized is going to your congressmen to request change...NOW THAT IS A TRUE AMERICAN! This country is about people who understand that personal freedom and a level of control must constantly be balanced. It's these paranoid people talking about bringing guns to schools and violently protesting government mandate that scare the hell out of me, not some invisible monster concocted by the uneducated masses out there that have nothing better to do than to create havok with off-the-wall conspiracy theories. TRY to find another country that enjoys the same freedoms we do. I dare you to find one. People died for that freedom, and you are gonna complain about having to stop in the hall for 1 minute a day to respect that? Atleast you are allowed to decide if you wanna do it or not. I honestly didn't think people like you all existed. I'm ignorant too, I guess.

#40

Quote:TRY to find another country that enjoys the same freedoms we do.

Canada, England?