Compair

#1 Umm... Already discussed quite frequently :)

Right on the first page in the general forum: http://www.garagegames.com/mg/forums/result.thread.php?qt=69613


If you like 3DGS and it works for you that is cool. I wont tell you it is terrible. The community is very cliquish, and my own personal experience with dealing directly with conitec was -horrible- all round. And that after we dropped the $2-3K for the commercial team licence.

As for the images you show.. The 3DGS one is really nothing special IMO. Simple HUD, simple map, simple laser beam..

I have no idea why you choose the Torque one you did.. it shows a stone standing in a field.. Cummon.. at least do apples to apples:

http://www.garagegames.com/products/111/images/?current=6
http://www.garagegames.com/products/111/images/?current=11
http://www.garagegames.com/products/111/images/?current=14

I think those are more appropriate shots of Torque in action.

I will admit Im a huge fan of Torque. Pros and cons..

Pros:
Awesome community. I have been a part of the Torque community for 3+ years now and it's been amazing, hands down awesome.

Torque = Source code.. Any problems I have I can fix. If GG closes shop tomorrow I still own everything I need to make my projects work. Period..

Constantly improving engine and technology for the engine. The GG team have always been forwarding the Torque technology. You have to appreciate that Torque came about from the game Tribes back in what? The mid-late 90s? Since then GG has constantly improved the engine, developed the community and expanded the products for the community. Examples of that would be: TGB, TGEA, TorqueX (or whatever the Xbox flavor is now labelled).

Cons: Documentation. Yup, it sucks.. No worse than 3DGS docs though. Better actually. Most of the documentation for 3DGS is a Windows help file if I recall. At least with Torque we get TDN and the Doxy.

3DGS - Pros:
All mods are script based so no C++ skills needed

In fairness I cant think of any other pros.. You say you like it over Torque could you expand on that and tell us why? What does 3DGS give you over Torque?

3DGS Cons:
Terrible documentation..
Terrible network code (3DGS uses Direct play from microsoft as their network layer *rolls eyes*. It never worked right and Conitec STILL is incapable of showing even a 3D demo that works with more than 4 players in the game at a time. Even Microsoft admitted Direct Play was a disaster and stopped supporting it over 2 years ago.
NO SOURCE! - This is a deal breaker for me. Wether I am a coder or not, if I am developing a project that might go retail and I have to depend on some bunch of part time engine programmers to fix bugs as I send them in.. It took Conitec over 6 months at a time to roll out fixes for pages of bugs I sent in regarding the network code. After the second phase of rollouts and after recieving a bunch of verbal abuse on the forums from the owners *cough*Doug*cough* I gave up and told them to kindly drop me a line when they actually had their engine working with a multiplayer demo.


I was a member of the 3DGS community for over 12 months and worked with Conitec on trying to fix their horribly broken network layer... Both Conitec and the community were very hard to deal with.

Each of us will end up taking away something different from their experiences with a company. I don't profess 3DGS to be useless but I don't think it even comes close to holding a candle to Torque. Could you expand on exactly what abotu 3DGS makes it seem better to you?