Fight against multiplayer game cheating
by Chris Helms · in General Discussion · 05/14/2001 (12:02 am) · 5 replies
Asus recently released a set of drivers that let you see through walls in 3d games. Sign the petetion against asus's decision to release cheat releated drivers.
I think it is wrong that a company can do this to make their cards sell more. Cheaters in online games make games no fun for other players, and I think many times it ruins the fun for the cheaters as well. I'd like to see video game companies as including large ones get involved and BAN these cheat cards.
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I think it is wrong that a company can do this to make their cards sell more. Cheaters in online games make games no fun for other players, and I think many times it ruins the fun for the cheaters as well. I'd like to see video game companies as including large ones get involved and BAN these cheat cards.
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#2
Asus by releasing this "technology" is just handing the tools to the (frankly) dumb masses who would never have known better. The few can't be stopped, but the masses can be kept the problem under control. Don't hand that kind of power to the masses. I will never understand how one could not realize this.
05/14/2001 (8:23 am)
There is a rather large difference between someone who knows what they're doing by downloading some hacked drivers and someone getting the hacks in official real drivers. The difference is tens of thousands of cheaters. Get this--most people won't bother to go find special hacked drivers. Most people don't know about the box.sk network or even newsgroups. But if the cheats are right in the drivers, I'll bet they get used by far more than a few hackers.Asus by releasing this "technology" is just handing the tools to the (frankly) dumb masses who would never have known better. The few can't be stopped, but the masses can be kept the problem under control. Don't hand that kind of power to the masses. I will never understand how one could not realize this.
#3
I agree that Asus is not doing anyone a favor by releasing these drivers. But my argument is the same as the one I've been using in the 'hacking' threads. It only takes one hacker to write one hacked opengl32.dll and release it.
I have three.
Anyway, my main goal was to point out that Asus was not the only 'bad guy', nor even the first into this arena. If you are really against this stuff, I encourage you to sign the petition.
--Bryan
05/14/2001 (9:30 am)
Victor,I agree that Asus is not doing anyone a favor by releasing these drivers. But my argument is the same as the one I've been using in the 'hacking' threads. It only takes one hacker to write one hacked opengl32.dll and release it.
I have three.
Anyway, my main goal was to point out that Asus was not the only 'bad guy', nor even the first into this arena. If you are really against this stuff, I encourage you to sign the petition.
--Bryan
#4
match can be devestating to that community.
No one cares if someone cheats in single player, hell no one even cares if you're cheating on a public game or with friends. But it's a different matter when it's a game in which people have some stake in the outcome.
Cheating has been shown in the past to able to bring down even the best of any multi-player game, and all the current big players spend huge amount of resources combating it. Verant, EA etc... This is a huge deal, and for a video card maker to support it is unacceptable.
Thomas
05/14/2001 (1:00 pm)
Bryan, I'd like to point out that while this cheating does not effect you it does effect plenty of other people out there. :) I've played competitive tribes for a long time, and the concept of game balancing cheating in any game where people have stake in an outcome of a match can be devestating to that community.
No one cares if someone cheats in single player, hell no one even cares if you're cheating on a public game or with friends. But it's a different matter when it's a game in which people have some stake in the outcome.
Cheating has been shown in the past to able to bring down even the best of any multi-player game, and all the current big players spend huge amount of resources combating it. Verant, EA etc... This is a huge deal, and for a video card maker to support it is unacceptable.
Thomas
#5
>But if the cheats are right in the drivers, I'll bet they get used by far more than a few hackers.
Yes, that is right, you can hack it yourself to cheat, but so many people don't know how, and this opens an opportunity to anyone who doesn't know how to, to do it easily.
>It only takes one hacker to write one hacked opengl32.dll and release it.
You are right, but it takes a person who knows about these networks to find it, and who knows what to look for, and SOO many people DON'T know that, you can't say everyone does, and you can't say that the majority of people know. Advanced users in these games are less than 1% of the gaming population, and when you release something to a much more general audience, it will cause many times the cheating, and it gets out of control, and you can't say that this isn't reaching at least ten times more people than these underground networks are. I know so many people who don't know so much like that.
If you give a CD crack to an underground community, the general underground community uses it, if you don't protect your game from being pirated, all the people in those communities, plus anyone else who even trys and do it. The masses of the audiences for these games don't know about "underground" sites, so if you make it to where you have to know them to pirate or cheat a game, then you are reducing the piraters and cheaters by many times, its a simple fact.
EA for example can *never* stop hackers from cheating in games, but they can stop the masses of people, and that is why they do it, or else they wouldn't protect their games if only the small underground community knew how to cheat, or if everyone knew how to bypass their cheat protection, so they do realise how important this is. Recently I tried cheating in a single player racing game by using what people call "speed-hack" to increase my speed so it would be more fun for me, but it wouldn't work, and that is probably because the game also had a multiplayer option, one that I never tried out, but still, I must say I am glad they protected it, its better to block out all users from cheating even in single player, than to let them all cheat in multiplayer as well.
The fact that these large companies are realising is that you can't stop hackers/cheaters and piraters, but you can stop the mass general players from doing it.
I guess you could sum it up by saying, if large companies do it, don't you think they've realized how important it is to do this?
05/14/2001 (3:02 pm)
Okay, first, let me say this... This wasn't MY IDEA!!! Someone told me about this, then I told it to a few people, then someone told me I should post it here, then I did, and now this... Okay, Whatever. Whatever. Whatever.>But if the cheats are right in the drivers, I'll bet they get used by far more than a few hackers.
Yes, that is right, you can hack it yourself to cheat, but so many people don't know how, and this opens an opportunity to anyone who doesn't know how to, to do it easily.
>It only takes one hacker to write one hacked opengl32.dll and release it.
You are right, but it takes a person who knows about these networks to find it, and who knows what to look for, and SOO many people DON'T know that, you can't say everyone does, and you can't say that the majority of people know. Advanced users in these games are less than 1% of the gaming population, and when you release something to a much more general audience, it will cause many times the cheating, and it gets out of control, and you can't say that this isn't reaching at least ten times more people than these underground networks are. I know so many people who don't know so much like that.
If you give a CD crack to an underground community, the general underground community uses it, if you don't protect your game from being pirated, all the people in those communities, plus anyone else who even trys and do it. The masses of the audiences for these games don't know about "underground" sites, so if you make it to where you have to know them to pirate or cheat a game, then you are reducing the piraters and cheaters by many times, its a simple fact.
EA for example can *never* stop hackers from cheating in games, but they can stop the masses of people, and that is why they do it, or else they wouldn't protect their games if only the small underground community knew how to cheat, or if everyone knew how to bypass their cheat protection, so they do realise how important this is. Recently I tried cheating in a single player racing game by using what people call "speed-hack" to increase my speed so it would be more fun for me, but it wouldn't work, and that is probably because the game also had a multiplayer option, one that I never tried out, but still, I must say I am glad they protected it, its better to block out all users from cheating even in single player, than to let them all cheat in multiplayer as well.
The fact that these large companies are realising is that you can't stop hackers/cheaters and piraters, but you can stop the mass general players from doing it.
I guess you could sum it up by saying, if large companies do it, don't you think they've realized how important it is to do this?
Torque Owner Bryan Turner
Are you new to the 3D game world? 3Dfx has had 'perfromance' enhancing drivers since the Voodoo2, ATI had them too, Asus is just following a long chain of leaders.
To boot, you don't even need special drivers for this! You can use a modified version of OpenGL32.dll which ignores calls to texture state changes. An apt programmer could crank this out in an evening or two. This works for ALL cards and ALL games which use OpenGL. Same can be done for a large subset of D3D games.
What's the problem? So what if someone wants to cheat, it means their name (and the other cheaters) are on top of the global rankings, just avoid those people. After all, when I'm deathmatching in Quake, I avoid the experts _anyway_ regardless if they're experts from cheating or skillz. I'm not at their level and it's not fun to play them. I look for servers with people of my level.
--Bryan