WorldCraft?!?!?!

#1 Have a gander here!

-Ron

#2 It's been over 2 months (getting close to 3 now) since that promise was made.

We still do not have the new EULA, WorldCraft aka Hammer is not and has never been available at the URL that was provided in that announcement.

#3 Harold,

when you refer to DL'ing do you mean the EULA or the Application? if you mean the Application, the note does not state that it would be available for DL at the URL; but instead the EULA when it is ready.

-Ron

#4 Why put the EULA for Worldcraft / Hammer at a site that has nothing to do with that application and has never had that application there for download?

Regardless of that minor fact, they still have not provided anything other then a promise. And I'm sorry but a promise doesn't hold a lot of water when it comes to legal proceedings.

Sure we could use the older 3.3 version of Worldcraft as it did not have an EULA with it. But at this point that is supporting a company that, until I see the EULA, I would have to say has lied to us.

Quark4Torque on the other hand is free, and is not entangled in the core assets of a "competing" company.

#5 do you still have the WC 3.3 installer? just found it never mind

#6 We are happy that Valve gave GG developers the OK to use Worldcraft. It is up to them to provide an updated EULA. I imagine they have a lot on their plate, and upgrading a free tool EULA is not at the top of the list.

Although appreciative of the generous offer from Valve to GG developers, I still like the idea of enencumbered, open source tools. If I were working on a project, I would look strongly at those options.

Jeff Tunnell GG

#7 @ Anthony

I'm not sure if you allready found the 3.3 version, but I recently just found one at

WorldCraft 3.3

hope that helps!

Matthew

#8 too late!

sorry, just saw your edit! :)

Matthew

#9

Quote:We are happy that Valve gave GG developers the OK to use Worldcraft. It is up to them to provide an updated EULA. I imagine they have a lot on their plate, and upgrading a free tool EULA is not at the top of the list.

Is there an offical announcement from Valve? Which version grant for GG developer? WorldCraft 3.3 or Hammer 3.4?

I cannot use Quark on my PC, so I want switch to Hammer.

#10 I have been emailed valve a few times this past week about this, here is what I have received back so far:

"I redirected one of your previous emails to our legal department yesterday. I'm am not sure what their schedule is like but I assume you should hear from them shortly. Sorry about the wait!"

#11 Valve has much more important things on their plate than licensing WC/Hammer to Torque users. Valve never followed through with their license change.

We moved on a long time ago. Our official solution is to use Quark.

Quark is open source. It works very well.

-Jeff Tunnell GG

#12 Maybe it's just on the same schedule as Half-Life2?

;-)

-EricF

#13 So what is legal or not then ?
What happens if i use it ?
Does this mean that they can come afterwards and say that i
delete all stuff made with wc or do they process against me ?

-Billy

#14 Straight from the Hammer 3.4 installer that you clicked "I agree" to. Note also, that your first-born son is now Valve property:

Quote:VALVE, L.L.C.
VALVE HAMMER EDITOR LICENSE

This Valve Hammer Editor License (the "Agreement") is made by and between you (the "Licensee") and VALVE, L.L.C., a Washington limited liability company ("Valve"), with offices located at 520 Kirkland Way, #201, Kirkland, WA 98033.

By clicking "I Agree" below, and/or by downloading THE VALVE HAMMER EDITOR, you agree to be bound by this Agreement.

Whereas, Valve is the developer of the Half-Life computer game, and the Valve Hammer Editor, a level editor for Half-Life and other compatible Valve products ("VHE"); and

Whereas, Licensee wishes to use VHE to develop new levels running only on the computer game engine used in Half-Life and other compatible Valve products ("New Levels") for personal use and free distribution only to licensed end users of Half-Life or other compatible Valve products; and

Whereas, Licensee may wish to redistribute VHE without charge; and

Whereas, Licensee wishes to receive, and Valve wishes to disclose to Licensee, an object code version of VHE, and other information as deemed appropriate by Valve, all on the terms set forth herein;

Now, therefore, in consideration of the mutual promises made herein, the parties agree as follows:

1. License.

1.1 License Grant. Valve hereby grants Licensee a nonexclusive, royalty-free, terminable, worldwide, nontransferable license to:

(a) use VHE solely to develop New Levels for Half-Life and other compatible Valve products;

(b) reproduce and distribute New Levels, solely to licensed end users of Half-Life or other compatible Valve products, without charge; and

(c) reproduce and distribute exact copies of VHE without charge, in the same form and with all associated files that VHE is received by Licensee pursuant to this Agreement, provided that Licensee will: (1) distribute copies of VHE only in object code format; (2) only distribute copies of VHE with this Agreement included and subject to the receiving party agreeing to the terms of this Agreement; and (3) preserve in all copies of VHE all copyright and legal notices that are attached to the copy of VHE received by Licensee pursuant to this Agreement.

1.2 Restrictions. Licensee may not, in whole or in part, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, or decompile the VHE, or remove any proprietary notices or labels on the VHE without the prior consent, in writing, of Valve.

1.3 Updates. Valve may from time to time, in its sole discretion, provide updates, error corrections, and future versions of VHE to Licensee. Upon delivery, such updates, error corrections and future versions shall be deemed part of VHE, as applicable, under this Agreement.

1.4 Reservation of Rights. Valve reserves all rights not explicitly granted herein.

1.5 Indemnity. Licensee hereby agrees that it is solely responsible for any and all New Levels and Licensee's creation, distribution, and promotion thereof. Licensee shall defend, indemnify, and hold harmless Valve, its officers, directors, employees and agents against any and all claims, damages, losses, or liabilities whatsoever arising out of Licensee's creation, distribution, or promotion of the New Levels.

1.6 Trademarks. Licensee acknowledges and agrees that this Agreement does not grant Licensee any right to use any trademarks or trade names of Valve, Sierra On-Line, Inc., or their licensors. All such marks shall remain the property of the respective owner.

2. Term.

2.1 Term. This Agreement shall become effective as of the date Licensee downloads or installs VHE and shall be perpetual unless terminated.

2.2 Termination. Valve may terminate this Agreement immediately upon written (including email) notice to Licensee. The Agreement will terminate automatically upon Licensee's breach of any term of this Agreement.

#15 Part 2:

Quote:2.3 Survival. Sections 1.5, 1.6, 2.2, 2.3, and 3-5 shall survive any termination of this Agreement.

3. Disclaimer of Warranties; Limitation of Liability

3.1 NO WARRANTIES. Valve and its suppliers disclaim all warranties with respect to VHE, either express or implied, including, but not limited to, implied warranties of merchantability AND fitness for a particular purpose.

3.2 LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. in no event shall VALVE or its suppliers be liable for any special, incidental, indirect, or consequential damages whatsoever (including, without limitation, damages for loss of business profits, business interruption, loss of business information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability to use VHE, even if VALVE has been advised of the possibility of such damages.

4. No Exclusivity.

Neither this Agreement nor the disclosure or receipt of information shall constitute or imply any promise to or intention to make any purchase of products or services by either party or its affiliated companies or any commitment by either party or its affiliated companies with respect to the present or future marketing of any product or service or any commitment to enter into any other business relationship. Except for the license and use restrictions expressly set forth herein, each party will be free (1) to pursue, negotiate, and enter into similar relationships with third parties and (2) to develop, market, and make available similar products and services. Neither party will be obligated to enter into any other agreement with the other party by virtue of this Agreement.

5. General.

5.1 Modification. No amendment or modification of this Agreement shall be valid or binding on the parties unless made in writing and signed on behalf of both of the parties by their respective duly authorized officers or representatives.

5.2 Assignment. Licensee may not assign this agreement without the prior written consent of Valve. Subject to the limitations set forth in this Agreement, this Agreement will inure to the benefit of and be binding upon the parties, their successors and assigns.

5.3 Severability. If any provision of this Agreement shall be held by a court of competent jurisdiction to be illegal, invalid or unenforceable, the remaining provisions shall remain in full force and effect.

5.4 Governing Law, Jurisdiction and Venue. This Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Washington. Each of the parties hereto submits to jurisdiction and venue in the state and federal courts sitting in King County, Washington.

5.5 Entire Agreement. This Agreement constitutes the entire understanding between the parties hereto and supersedes all previous communications, representations and understandings, oral or written, between the parties, with respect to the subject matter of this Agreement.

CLICK BELOW TO INDICATE YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE, YOU MAY NOT DOWNLOAD AND/OR USE VHE.

"I AGREE" "I DO NOT AGREE"

#16 Basically, if yyou don't like quark (if your like me) your SOL, unless you want to edit source and buy Cartography Shop (i'd sugest anyway)

#17 Eric

This agreement is not in the 3.3 version.
But this is a badone for me anyway, i must remake every building
i've done so far ,bad thing.
And start using a new editor :( :(

#18 I don't know if a license can be retroactive. You might consult with Tom Buscaglia. Or, you might just port them over to a different program and hope for the best. ;-)

I don't know... maybe using WC 3.3 is OK, but not Hammer 3.4?

Good luck. :)

-Eric F

#19 Bottmom line from the GG perspective:

Quit going down the Worldcraft/Hammer road. If you choose to do so, uou are totally on your own. Quark is actually a good editor. Marble Blast, which was created with Quark, is performance proof that a great game can be made with this editor. Desmond Fletcher has created some of the most amazing architectural walk throughs that I have ever seen using Quark.

Quark is open source, and it works. It is the only recomended GG CSG editor. We are not going to pursue using WC/Hammer or any licensing variants to allow GG community users to use it.

Lastly, GG will not publish games created with Hammer/WC. We do not want the liability.

-Jeff Tunnell GG

#20 Thx Jeff

Like straight answers ,time to change some things then :)

-Billy