Where is the Tribes2/V12 Demo?
by Shawn · in Torque Game Engine · 04/26/2001 (8:35 pm) · 15 replies
Is there a downloadable demo like Tribes1 ?
#2
www.zero-credits.com/stories/tribes2/index.shtml
Is the game really that buggy? I own it, but haven't got around to installing it yet. Anyone know if the bugs are in the Tribes 2 code, or the v12 engine code?
04/27/2001 (7:09 am)
No demo on Gamespot...just 7 (!) patches. I also ran across this article:www.zero-credits.com/stories/tribes2/index.shtml
Is the game really that buggy? I own it, but haven't got around to installing it yet. Anyone know if the bugs are in the Tribes 2 code, or the v12 engine code?
#3
It's worth the 50 bucks, though, even with the bugs. Alot of the bugs seemed to have come to light after release, unexpected configurations in the wild I guess.
QA is hard ;) I've seen worse releases, but I have seen better. I think I saw a post saying that they are integrating the patches into the engine pre-release, so, look at it this way, the Tribes 2 community has beta'd the engine for us and we will get a better product when they send us those platters :)
04/27/2001 (8:19 am)
No demo that I am aware of, lots of AVI's, lots of screenies, but no demo.It's worth the 50 bucks, though, even with the bugs. Alot of the bugs seemed to have come to light after release, unexpected configurations in the wild I guess.
QA is hard ;) I've seen worse releases, but I have seen better. I think I saw a post saying that they are integrating the patches into the engine pre-release, so, look at it this way, the Tribes 2 community has beta'd the engine for us and we will get a better product when they send us those platters :)
#4
04/27/2001 (8:40 am)
the question of buying Tribes 2 for me is a simple one... if my crusty old system can handle it i will buy it!! this is way all games need to release a playable demo... I no longer accept the minimum system requirements.. as i can play things that ask for more and find some games that ask for less to be unplayable on my old system... so put out a playable demo so i can test it on my system,!. as i will never spend the cash to test it myself..
#5
04/27/2001 (8:40 am)
I'm only hoping they fix the lock up problems I've been having :p I couldn't play the game for more than 30 minutes without it totally locking up my machine.I'm thinking that's because my processor is receiving too much data from the game or something (Right now I've got a PII 450 with a GeForce2 card,256MB RAM,Win2K) Today I should be getting my new motherboard and 1.2GHz Athlon processor (YAY!) If that doesn't solve the problem then I don't know what will.ANybody else having lock up problems with the game?
#6
1) where is the authors name? if this was such a truthful piece you would think he/she would want to take credit for it.
2) Patches bringing down the Penn State network, I don't think so, do a little math ...if 2000 students owned Tribes2 (which would be a lot), downloaded 100mb of patches (the article says just 1mb each), the University has a 100mb/s connection (the University of Oregon has 100mb/s so Penn State should at least have that much) that would take 34 minutes to download all the patches...
3) a quote from a programmer at Dynamix with no name, yeah right. And the quote: "When I finished the section of the title I was assigned it was no more than random bits of code. In fact, some of it I just put in there for fun, it's not like it worked anyway. I shouldn't be saying this but if you look at the code in a hex editor there is actually a picture of Dave Georgeson in his underwear at the company Christmas party. That's the truth." -- come on guys do you really believe this?
4) I could continue picking it apart but I have already spent too much time on it.
Here is the scoop -- We have been integrating Tribes2 patches into the V12 often before they are released to the public. We have direct access to their version control database so we get everything. Their may have been a few more shipping bugs in T2 than I would have been comfortable with but Dynamix has been cranking out patches very quickly, which shows they care. There will always be a bugs in bleeding edge software no matter how long you test it because it is impossible to test all the possible hardware and driver combinations. Sometimes I wish I was a console programmer but I really love working on all these new cards, even if they do cause me headaches. By the time we release the V12 it will have benefited immensely from the 200+ thousand T2 players and will continue to improve as the GG community works on the code. I will ask Dynamix about the win2k lockup I keep hearing about and get back to you all.
--Rick
04/27/2001 (11:06 am)
Just read the Zero Credits article mentioned above. What a piece of %$@#*&$... 1) where is the authors name? if this was such a truthful piece you would think he/she would want to take credit for it.
2) Patches bringing down the Penn State network, I don't think so, do a little math ...if 2000 students owned Tribes2 (which would be a lot), downloaded 100mb of patches (the article says just 1mb each), the University has a 100mb/s connection (the University of Oregon has 100mb/s so Penn State should at least have that much) that would take 34 minutes to download all the patches...
3) a quote from a programmer at Dynamix with no name, yeah right. And the quote: "When I finished the section of the title I was assigned it was no more than random bits of code. In fact, some of it I just put in there for fun, it's not like it worked anyway. I shouldn't be saying this but if you look at the code in a hex editor there is actually a picture of Dave Georgeson in his underwear at the company Christmas party. That's the truth." -- come on guys do you really believe this?
4) I could continue picking it apart but I have already spent too much time on it.
Here is the scoop -- We have been integrating Tribes2 patches into the V12 often before they are released to the public. We have direct access to their version control database so we get everything. Their may have been a few more shipping bugs in T2 than I would have been comfortable with but Dynamix has been cranking out patches very quickly, which shows they care. There will always be a bugs in bleeding edge software no matter how long you test it because it is impossible to test all the possible hardware and driver combinations. Sometimes I wish I was a console programmer but I really love working on all these new cards, even if they do cause me headaches. By the time we release the V12 it will have benefited immensely from the 200+ thousand T2 players and will continue to improve as the GG community works on the code. I will ask Dynamix about the win2k lockup I keep hearing about and get back to you all.
--Rick
#7
04/27/2001 (11:51 am)
+200,000!! Wow, that is impressive - sorry I don't have access to PC Data.
#8
I'm running on a P400 (ancient I know - my wife won't let me upgrade yet) with a GeForce 2 MX and it runs great. Not with all the bells and whistles cranked up of course, but enough that it looks great and to convince me that this is a great engine.
I do have a question about level load times. Maybe it's just my machine but they load really slow. Was there much effort spent in speeding this up during T2 development? In other words, after receiving the V12 code will it do us much good to optimize level loading?
04/27/2001 (12:05 pm)
I haven't played any T2 online games yet, but I've run single player (training) quite a bit and I've not had any problems whatsoever.I'm running on a P400 (ancient I know - my wife won't let me upgrade yet) with a GeForce 2 MX and it runs great. Not with all the bells and whistles cranked up of course, but enough that it looks great and to convince me that this is a great engine.
I do have a question about level load times. Maybe it's just my machine but they load really slow. Was there much effort spent in speeding this up during T2 development? In other words, after receiving the V12 code will it do us much good to optimize level loading?
#9
04/27/2001 (1:24 pm)
Well can you release the tech for us then ? Enough salivating and stuff. Time to use it. You have had your day in the sun, give a few indies the chance to shine :)
#10
Can they sue them for this????
I think someone must have so much shit stuck up his ass he can't think straight, it went straight to his brain!
It just makes you mad doens't it?
I think you all have done great by releasing patches that fast, I just wish some games were as good at it.
I think someone should do a crappy review of some hard work that author did and see how he likes it.
They get paid for that stuff, maybe it is time they pay FOR it and stop costing people money.
04/28/2001 (2:46 am)
I have never seen such BS in my life!!Can they sue them for this????
I think someone must have so much shit stuck up his ass he can't think straight, it went straight to his brain!
It just makes you mad doens't it?
I think you all have done great by releasing patches that fast, I just wish some games were as good at it.
I think someone should do a crappy review of some hard work that author did and see how he likes it.
They get paid for that stuff, maybe it is time they pay FOR it and stop costing people money.
#11
As for the rumoured bugs, I have seen none. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. I have a modest system and it runs great at 1024x768 with all the graphics options jacked up. The environments are spectacular.
I can't wait till the V12 team releases the code, it's due any time according to the Garage Games team themseleves - which I had the fortune to meet at the GDC this year.
GG rocks and that's all there is to it!
04/28/2001 (4:51 am)
If you haven't played Tribes 2 (especially online where it was meant to be played) then you are missing something special. The game is absolutely amazing and addictive. I have been playing it non-stop since it came out a month ago. As for the rumoured bugs, I have seen none. No lockups, no crashes, nothing. I have a modest system and it runs great at 1024x768 with all the graphics options jacked up. The environments are spectacular.
I can't wait till the V12 team releases the code, it's due any time according to the Garage Games team themseleves - which I had the fortune to meet at the GDC this year.
GG rocks and that's all there is to it!
#12
04/28/2001 (10:17 am)
Heh well after looking at that site I'm serously 99% sure that tha'ts just a joke site. Look at the articles, AOL disc kills woman, Apple releases iMesh, their all jokes, and talking about a buggy program with lots of patches was asking for one! hehe anyways
#13
04/28/2001 (11:08 am)
lol... nah Rick, ZeroCredit is another BBSpot type site, just a bunch of satire news.
#14
They probably have some sort of disclaimer anyway.
04/29/2001 (1:41 am)
That is what I was thinking.They probably have some sort of disclaimer anyway.
#15
STRAIGHT UNDER THE DAMN ARTICLE, come on guys, I'm 21 years old and I've heard and used the expression more than once in my life ( I'm a tech support guy for a cable modem ISP ) and it is : READ THE FINE PRINT... if you ever get mad at something which seems like the company has been hypocritical to people by hiding it from them, chances are you find it in the fine print. I don't think that's good, in fact it's downright dumb to have to hide such facts in 8point print... but it IS there and it IS meant to be read, now that you are aware of that, you'll never have no one but yourself to blame.
Don't go licensing the V12 WITHOUT reading AND understanding the license agreement and be mad at GarageGames for your errors.
Other than that I think this forum is full of inteligent people and I think you'd have the decency to look for the said disclaimer before getting angry at the guy (although I did get angry, but started looking for the disclaimer, simply because I played the game and didn't see ANY bugs so I knew it was BS).
Anyways, just a heads up for you guys.
04/29/2001 (12:54 pm)
This site is SATIRE. These stories aren't real! All material copyright 2000-2001 Luke Brown/zero-credits.com -Material on this page may NOT be used without permissionSTRAIGHT UNDER THE DAMN ARTICLE, come on guys, I'm 21 years old and I've heard and used the expression more than once in my life ( I'm a tech support guy for a cable modem ISP ) and it is : READ THE FINE PRINT... if you ever get mad at something which seems like the company has been hypocritical to people by hiding it from them, chances are you find it in the fine print. I don't think that's good, in fact it's downright dumb to have to hide such facts in 8point print... but it IS there and it IS meant to be read, now that you are aware of that, you'll never have no one but yourself to blame.
Don't go licensing the V12 WITHOUT reading AND understanding the license agreement and be mad at GarageGames for your errors.
Other than that I think this forum is full of inteligent people and I think you'd have the decency to look for the said disclaimer before getting angry at the guy (although I did get angry, but started looking for the disclaimer, simply because I played the game and didn't see ANY bugs so I knew it was BS).
Anyways, just a heads up for you guys.
Chris Helms
I'd like to be able to see if it really is such a great engine as many people have said it is, then I wouldn't be wondering what it could do, I'd be able to see it...