Some more linux discussion...why not!
by Tim Newell · in General Discussion · 04/12/2002 (2:29 am) · 20 replies
I just installed KDE 3 and I must say they did a fine job with it. From what I have seen so far it is leaps and bounds beyond KDE 2.2 (which I didn't care too much for) and I will be switching from gnome to it. Konqueror 3.0 is probably the biggest improvement I have seen in all of KDE 3.0. Not only does it work now but its actually a very nice browser. And so far is better than Mozilla due to the fact that Konqueror is lighting fast where as mozilla is still a bit slow and some minor bugs. (hopefully this will change in Mozilla 1.0 as I really like the spam filters in it)
-Tim aka Spock
-Tim aka Spock
#2
Well, I haven't tried KDE 3.0 yet. Not enough time, and too many other worries. Although I can't wait to play with it.
04/12/2002 (10:51 am)
Aha Tim. I knew you wouldn't resist. Weren't you the one about two days ago telling me to switch to Gnome? hmm?Well, I haven't tried KDE 3.0 yet. Not enough time, and too many other worries. Although I can't wait to play with it.
#3
Get windowmaker! www.windowmaker.org. You'll never use anything else.
04/12/2002 (10:53 am)
Looks like I haven't plugged it enough:Get windowmaker! www.windowmaker.org. You'll never use anything else.
#4
Installing KDE 3.0 was actually a lot easier than I thought it would be.
Kall: the reason I didn't stick with debian is because they are a conservative distro...meaning the software is always older and they do this to make sure its stable. Not that its a bad thing but I prefer bleeding edge.
Windowmaker looks like it sucks :)
-Tim aka Spock
04/12/2002 (1:34 pm)
Yes I was. I do prefer Gnome over KDE 2.2. As of right now KDE 3 is better than Gnome and a LOT better than KDE 2.2.Installing KDE 3.0 was actually a lot easier than I thought it would be.
Kall: the reason I didn't stick with debian is because they are a conservative distro...meaning the software is always older and they do this to make sure its stable. Not that its a bad thing but I prefer bleeding edge.
Windowmaker looks like it sucks :)
-Tim aka Spock
#5
Or in this case: don't judge a window manager by it's website.
04/12/2002 (2:01 pm)
Tim you have broken the cardinal rule: don't judge a book by it's cover.Or in this case: don't judge a window manager by it's website.
#6
-Tim aka Spock
04/12/2002 (3:41 pm)
It uses big square icons instead of a menu bar across the bottom (which is what I must have after having it beat into my head by microsoft) any other way is too wierd to get anything productive done. This is why it sucks to me.-Tim aka Spock
#7
I tried windowmaker a while back. It didn't do enough for me.
04/12/2002 (4:33 pm)
Tim, If you like bleeding edge, then use the unstable tree in debian. That's what it's for. But you have to understand that it will be less stable, hence the name.I tried windowmaker a while back. It didn't do enough for me.
#8
-Tim aka Spock
04/13/2002 (3:20 am)
Well, I like bleeding edge stable....which is what mandrake 8.2 gave me. rpms aren't that bad either and are widely provided.-Tim aka Spock
#9
04/14/2002 (1:09 am)
Tim, did you compile from source or did you use rpms? I'm surprised it was so easy.
#10
-Tim aka Spock
04/14/2002 (1:23 am)
rpms. in gnome I used software manager to remove kde 2.2 then downloaded all the rpms, installing QT3 first then the other lib files and then the core and then the rest. Used rpm -ivh on all of them. Only problem I had was QT devel wanted a bunch of crap installed so I just did a -nodeps on it, even though its a bad thing to do, stuff will compile and I want have the bloat of all the stuff it wanted to install.-Tim aka Spock
#11
debian unstable doesnt mean it will crash like hell... it means it uses software that is constantly being updated (each day you run apt-get update and you get a new version of almost every package, including the bug fixes by the debian mantainers and the securty fixes).
Unstable doesnt mean it will crash more than mdk 8.2
If mdk8.2 has gnome-control-center 1.5.1 and so does debian unstable they will be the same.. exactly the same... the software is the same, but mdk tells u everything is ok and debian warns you it isnt a software which was fully tested..
Generally for the desktop unstable is ok, but for servers its nice to have old software which has been tested,re-tested and secured..
Dont judge so easily tim...
04/14/2002 (6:24 am)
lol @ tim :)debian unstable doesnt mean it will crash like hell... it means it uses software that is constantly being updated (each day you run apt-get update and you get a new version of almost every package, including the bug fixes by the debian mantainers and the securty fixes).
Unstable doesnt mean it will crash more than mdk 8.2
If mdk8.2 has gnome-control-center 1.5.1 and so does debian unstable they will be the same.. exactly the same... the software is the same, but mdk tells u everything is ok and debian warns you it isnt a software which was fully tested..
Generally for the desktop unstable is ok, but for servers its nice to have old software which has been tested,re-tested and secured..
Dont judge so easily tim...
#12
-Tim aka Spock
04/14/2002 (1:17 pm)
I was not judging Debian I was just saying that mandrake provided what I want.-Tim aka Spock
#13
04/14/2002 (4:41 pm)
quote: "Well, I like bleeding edge stable..." meaning that u think that mdk 8.2 is bleeding edge AND stable and debian sid isnt!
#14
04/14/2002 (6:36 pm)
That's reading into my statement something that wasn't meant.
#15
04/14/2002 (6:51 pm)
Gentlemen, please remain calm! We linux users have to at least present the semblance of unity. Although I still think exodus is a closet Windows lover. ;)
#16
Next we'll do Mac vs PC, then Trek vs Wars, and finally finish with "Toilet Paper: Under- or Overhang?"
04/14/2002 (8:42 pm)
Distro fight!Next we'll do Mac vs PC, then Trek vs Wars, and finally finish with "Toilet Paper: Under- or Overhang?"
#17
Unstable isn't as unstable as it seems. Although it should be noted that there still no KDE 3 packages in the unstable branch. Also, it's so much that Mandrake has all the bleeding edge stuff (it does, but that's not the point), it's that the rpms for KDE 3 were released right away. I don't feel like compiling KDE from scratch.
Yeah, it pisses me off that rpm is supported so much more than deb. I really feel that the deb package system is so much better than the rpm package system.
04/14/2002 (8:54 pm)
hehe, yeah, let's try and stay calm here. I think both Mandrake and Debian are cool (basically the only two distros I use).Unstable isn't as unstable as it seems. Although it should be noted that there still no KDE 3 packages in the unstable branch. Also, it's so much that Mandrake has all the bleeding edge stuff (it does, but that's not the point), it's that the rpms for KDE 3 were released right away. I don't feel like compiling KDE from scratch.
Yeah, it pisses me off that rpm is supported so much more than deb. I really feel that the deb package system is so much better than the rpm package system.
#18
--- HUH?! Windows lover? you bi.... :\
04/15/2002 (10:28 am)
Gentlemen, please remain calm! We linux users have to at least present the semblance of unity. Although I still think exodus is a closet Windows lover. ;)--- HUH?! Windows lover? you bi.... :\
#19
When you have a "distro fight" does that mean you all dress up in white polyester suits and point your fingers at a little mirrored ball with funny colored lights to Donna Summer songs?
Ducks for cover.
04/16/2002 (3:09 pm)
I'm not a Linux user yet so I don't really understand...When you have a "distro fight" does that mean you all dress up in white polyester suits and point your fingers at a little mirrored ball with funny colored lights to Donna Summer songs?
Ducks for cover.
#20
04/16/2002 (3:40 pm)
@david, not really... but you are close! 
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