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by AndrewOsborne · in Jobs · 06/06/2006 (5:32 am) · 8 replies
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#2
10/31/2007 (12:13 am)
Bumping as we are currently available. 
#3
First, you Andrew bumped the thread, but that has NOTHING to do with the content of Jason post, so I dont know why he even mention it (in such relational way).
Second, the whole idea of that you Andrew, need to give some explanation is ridiculous. But even more ridiculous is the merge Jason do, between technical content and political content--"Try focusing on your projects that aren't interactive propaganda, because the Tarien's Flow and Johnny's Piggy Bank look pretty decent." What it is that suposed to mean? Whats the sense of that?
And then is: "If your organization wishes to focus on activism in games, it should be explicitly stated on your site." WTF!? you dont like the site, just go away! thats one of the principles of freedom, to not force people to say "Im a jew", "Im gay", "Im a political activist", "Im a game desinger".
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What Jason never mention (purposedly?) are the terrible laws that the game try to fight against, which are the real core of the whole thing; he is obviously advocating for the deportation politics, but he goes againts his own speech, by not announcing that.
The game that Andrew and his team did is something to be proud of, and if people like Jason reacts this way, well Andrew, is something you have to take as an accomplishment.
Edit: This the the answer to a series of post from a guy called Jason, who wrote about the Andrew's web page. That poster then deleted his own posts.
11/01/2007 (9:52 am)
And of course, all what Jason have said, could be wrong. First of all, much of the ideas are a merge of concepts that has nothing to do with each other.First, you Andrew bumped the thread, but that has NOTHING to do with the content of Jason post, so I dont know why he even mention it (in such relational way).
Second, the whole idea of that you Andrew, need to give some explanation is ridiculous. But even more ridiculous is the merge Jason do, between technical content and political content--"Try focusing on your projects that aren't interactive propaganda, because the Tarien's Flow and Johnny's Piggy Bank look pretty decent." What it is that suposed to mean? Whats the sense of that?
And then is: "If your organization wishes to focus on activism in games, it should be explicitly stated on your site." WTF!? you dont like the site, just go away! thats one of the principles of freedom, to not force people to say "Im a jew", "Im gay", "Im a political activist", "Im a game desinger".
--[ Mod Snip for incendiary comment ]--
What Jason never mention (purposedly?) are the terrible laws that the game try to fight against, which are the real core of the whole thing; he is obviously advocating for the deportation politics, but he goes againts his own speech, by not announcing that.
The game that Andrew and his team did is something to be proud of, and if people like Jason reacts this way, well Andrew, is something you have to take as an accomplishment.
Edit: This the the answer to a series of post from a guy called Jason, who wrote about the Andrew's web page. That poster then deleted his own posts.
#4
11/01/2007 (12:33 pm)
I'm just deleting my posts here. I didn't expect to be forum-assaulted for recommending either openly political motivations or being an open-for-all politically neutral business. 
#5
Let's keep it professional. No reason to get riled.
EDIT: Removed comment about flames.
11/01/2007 (12:43 pm)
There's nothing wrong with social awareness games or aligning a team towards them. It may turn off some potential clients, but it may gain others. It's their choice. Jason may not want to do business with Andrew, but there may be others who do seeing as the team's artistic standards are consistent.Let's keep it professional. No reason to get riled.
EDIT: Removed comment about flames.
#6
11/01/2007 (1:12 pm)
Makes perfect sense, Jason. I thought your comments were interesting, if not giving the wrong initial impression--I thought that the games you were referencing were something on the scale of Ethnic Cleansing or Sa Mann until I looked at the site. But your ideology of business neutrality was a very good point that many developers keep in mind. Not all, of course, but a lot.
#7
On the matter itself, Im not against any debate about business neutrality (I dont believe in neutrality, but Im open to hear arguments).
Nevertheless the problem here, is what I already stated: Jason make a post merging all class of ideas, and trying to came to a conclusion out of that, when in fact half of that ideas have nothing to do with the matter ("some people threatened my friends") and the other half are well known as not really humanistic (as he also advise when he says "I know this could sound repulsive to some people").
So, if you wanna talk about business neutrality, lets just do that, for example: "Be care, your site seems to have some political tendence, is that what you really want? am I right?". His actual post doesnt really sounds like that to me.
If you Jason, feel like you were misinterpreted, then you should try to search the proper words, not just vanish in the air, all what it takes is "no, I really dont mean what you have understood". This way, all what you leave is a wrong impression.
11/01/2007 (4:32 pm)
Sorry about that "incendiary comment", I could have expressed that in a less incisive way.On the matter itself, Im not against any debate about business neutrality (I dont believe in neutrality, but Im open to hear arguments).
Nevertheless the problem here, is what I already stated: Jason make a post merging all class of ideas, and trying to came to a conclusion out of that, when in fact half of that ideas have nothing to do with the matter ("some people threatened my friends") and the other half are well known as not really humanistic (as he also advise when he says "I know this could sound repulsive to some people").
So, if you wanna talk about business neutrality, lets just do that, for example: "Be care, your site seems to have some political tendence, is that what you really want? am I right?". His actual post doesnt really sounds like that to me.
If you Jason, feel like you were misinterpreted, then you should try to search the proper words, not just vanish in the air, all what it takes is "no, I really dont mean what you have understood". This way, all what you leave is a wrong impression.
#8
Not that I am offended, and if anyone wishes to comment they should feel free.
At the end of the day we collaborated with a human rights organization to develop software to bring awareness about an issue. If you agree or disagree then thats your personal right, but I don't think it should be seen as a blight to our business. Our services are there to be utilised.
I'm not sure it should be a cause to turn some people off, what it does show however is that we (as mentioned already) have consistency and completed products.
Anyways thank you for taking the time to check out the site!
11/01/2007 (4:40 pm)
Woah, cant say I expected that!Not that I am offended, and if anyone wishes to comment they should feel free.
At the end of the day we collaborated with a human rights organization to develop software to bring awareness about an issue. If you agree or disagree then thats your personal right, but I don't think it should be seen as a blight to our business. Our services are there to be utilised.
I'm not sure it should be a cause to turn some people off, what it does show however is that we (as mentioned already) have consistency and completed products.
Anyways thank you for taking the time to check out the site!
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