Which Linux?
by Daniel Neilsen · in Torque Game Engine · 02/04/2002 (4:15 pm) · 24 replies
Hey guys,
What would you guys consider the best linux to install to compile torque on?
I have only used freebsd before (I know...its not linux...) as a user and never actually done any installation or anythign more difficult than server admin.
What would you guys consider the best linux to install to compile torque on?
I have only used freebsd before (I know...its not linux...) as a user and never actually done any installation or anythign more difficult than server admin.
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#2
very intelligent OS lots of people would complain that it is not user friendly .. while it is .. its just chooses its friends carefully :)
02/04/2002 (5:29 pm)
Slackware 8.0 very intelligent OS lots of people would complain that it is not user friendly .. while it is .. its just chooses its friends carefully :)
#3
slack lacks of a package system, now they tried to imitate apt-get, but it doesnt reach it's foots and it has lots of segfaulting utilities.
Best distro? Debian of course, best package managment on the world and the most stable rock solid distro, that's why we only get 1 release per year aprox.
But for newbies/intermediate i would recommend like tim did, mandrake , its very nice and friendly
02/04/2002 (5:58 pm)
bah, slack since version 3 sucked slack lacks of a package system, now they tried to imitate apt-get, but it doesnt reach it's foots and it has lots of segfaulting utilities.
Best distro? Debian of course, best package managment on the world and the most stable rock solid distro, that's why we only get 1 release per year aprox.
But for newbies/intermediate i would recommend like tim did, mandrake , its very nice and friendly
#4
I wrote, debugged, and tested the TGE's Linux dedicated server under Slackware. I have and will always (for the time being anyway) be a fan of Slackware.
However, for the newbie I would suggest RedHat.
If you're a little more experienced, Slackware is out there :-).
Does it really matter which distribution has the best package manager? No. Every distribution has their own package manager (yes, Slackware has its own, too). Just a little FYI, though, I don't use *any* package manager. Compiling the source is the way to go!
Ryan J. Parker
rjp@lomag.net
02/04/2002 (6:19 pm)
Trying not to get biased (as many Linux and UNIX discussions can get...)I wrote, debugged, and tested the TGE's Linux dedicated server under Slackware. I have and will always (for the time being anyway) be a fan of Slackware.
However, for the newbie I would suggest RedHat.
If you're a little more experienced, Slackware is out there :-).
Does it really matter which distribution has the best package manager? No. Every distribution has their own package manager (yes, Slackware has its own, too). Just a little FYI, though, I don't use *any* package manager. Compiling the source is the way to go!
Ryan J. Parker
rjp@lomag.net
#5
maybe you should roll around the system ..
for a long time now they have supported the lame redhat package system as an option ..
what kind of admin needs a package anyhow?
and besides that ..
there is a registry of packages installed that you can utilize for install and removal
02/04/2002 (6:33 pm)
rofl Xavier ..maybe you should roll around the system ..
for a long time now they have supported the lame redhat package system as an option ..
what kind of admin needs a package anyhow?
and besides that ..
there is a registry of packages installed that you can utilize for install and removal
#6
That "what system admin needs packages" is a lame comment, or a desesperate man comment not sure..
Packages make a system cleaner, and avoid the problem of downloading 1 src tarball to find you need to download 20 more to fill its dependencies.. while you do that i do apt-get install package and its done
also, apt-get can keep my system updated with latest secutity fixes from the debian security updates server by only running it as a cron job, while you'll have to read about the bug and recompile a new service, which would take your servers processing power and might cause service problems.
Just a thought, anyway i hate flame wars... specially somewhere not dedicated to linux...
and btw.. slack is almost dying... main developer gone... bah!
02/04/2002 (7:14 pm)
well packages always free you of many dependency problems and left over files which might conflict with your new source build.That "what system admin needs packages" is a lame comment, or a desesperate man comment not sure..
Packages make a system cleaner, and avoid the problem of downloading 1 src tarball to find you need to download 20 more to fill its dependencies.. while you do that i do apt-get install package and its done
also, apt-get can keep my system updated with latest secutity fixes from the debian security updates server by only running it as a cron job, while you'll have to read about the bug and recompile a new service, which would take your servers processing power and might cause service problems.
Just a thought, anyway i hate flame wars... specially somewhere not dedicated to linux...
and btw.. slack is almost dying... main developer gone... bah!
#7
LOL
ok, how about this.
Which pengiuns have people compiled TGE on?
I am not a complete newbie as I used to remote admin a number of freebsd servers.
02/04/2002 (7:31 pm)
ieeeeeee I created a monster ;)LOL
ok, how about this.
Which pengiuns have people compiled TGE on?
I am not a complete newbie as I used to remote admin a number of freebsd servers.
#8
02/05/2002 (9:05 am)
I have to put my vote on Slackware. That's what my happy little penguin is running.
#9
02/05/2002 (9:25 am)
I would say either Redhat versions 7.0 and above or Slackware. Though on slackware I would definetly not recommend to a newbie.
#10
02/05/2002 (9:28 am)
For newbies, most people would recommend Mandrake, and I would have to stand by that recommendation. I really enjoyed its ease of installation and configuration. But beyond that, any Linux is a pain to newbies. (when i first tried Linux long ago...slack 3 i think...it took me quite a while to setup my dialup isp).
#11
02/05/2002 (1:57 pm)
Torque runs in mandrake 8.1...thats what I have it working in.
#12
If you're new to linux you might also want to consider Mandrake; it is probably one of the most friendly distros for newbies but is still powerful.
The main thing Torque needs from a linux distribution is a relatively modern xfree86 installation (4.0 or greater, preferably 4.1+), all of the other pieces you can download easily if the distro doesn't come with them.
02/05/2002 (4:04 pm)
Gotta put my two cents in...I do most of my linux torque development on RedHat 7.2. I've also run it on RH 7.1 successfully. RH 7.2 Is a pretty well-balanced distribution, reasonably newbie friendly while still being useful.If you're new to linux you might also want to consider Mandrake; it is probably one of the most friendly distros for newbies but is still powerful.
The main thing Torque needs from a linux distribution is a relatively modern xfree86 installation (4.0 or greater, preferably 4.1+), all of the other pieces you can download easily if the distro doesn't come with them.
#13
02/06/2002 (6:08 am)
Just recently (last month) installed Mandrake 8.1 on my system. The intall was amazingly easy and went without fault. The only problem I had was getting opengl to work on my system. I have a GF2mx card and so I went to nvidia.com and got the linux drivers for the card and opengl. They have a good "tutorial" on getting it to work. Now I just have to find some time to read the docs on compiling TGE.
#14
02/06/2002 (10:48 am)
Yeah, RedHat 7.2 is fine and torque works also fine.
#15
02/07/2002 (12:53 pm)
A good site for linux distribution information is www.distrowatch.com. Its worth it just for all the cool little icons!
#16
-Tim aka Spock
02/07/2002 (1:24 pm)
I plan to write a tutorial on getting torque running in Mandrake 8.1 (it'll be easily adapted to other distros) as soon as I get KDevelop working like I want it too.-Tim aka Spock
#17
Once I had it running, it was very cool looking at GarageGames.com in a Microsoft free manner. But, my next stumbling block was trying to get Gnome to run after I had chosen KDE on the install. Actually, getting any product to run, even RPM's seems to be way too hard. Getting tarballs to compile and run is off the scale. I looked into it, but didn't even come close! So, there I was, stuck with KWord, which isn't bad, but I wanted AbiWord, which I run on Windows. So I gave up for 2001.
I don't really have time to mess with this, so I'll wait until Christmas vacation 2002 and try again. I'm rooting for Linux. I want to be Microsoft free, and I can't wait to run GG games on Linux. It's getting close, but we're not there yet.
Jeff Tunnell GG
02/07/2002 (6:32 pm)
This is a little off the subject, but I've been trying to get Linux installed, running, and accessing the Internet for the last three years. It has gotten a little better each year, but it is a long way from really being used by most desktops (servers- a different story, of course). Anyway, I finally had success in all areas this year with Mandrake 8.1, but not without a call to their support line (which was an OK experience. The guy on the other end was obviously tired of newbies, but, hey, that's what they pay him for and that is why they are selling distro's in Borders).Once I had it running, it was very cool looking at GarageGames.com in a Microsoft free manner. But, my next stumbling block was trying to get Gnome to run after I had chosen KDE on the install. Actually, getting any product to run, even RPM's seems to be way too hard. Getting tarballs to compile and run is off the scale. I looked into it, but didn't even come close! So, there I was, stuck with KWord, which isn't bad, but I wanted AbiWord, which I run on Windows. So I gave up for 2001.
I don't really have time to mess with this, so I'll wait until Christmas vacation 2002 and try again. I'm rooting for Linux. I want to be Microsoft free, and I can't wait to run GG games on Linux. It's getting close, but we're not there yet.
Jeff Tunnell GG
#18
If you want I can help you out if you shoot me an email...Im a newbie but have learned a lot so Im not tired of dealing with newbies. ;) I have completely switched to linux, torque was the last barrier and after getting kdevelop to work I can live without VC++.
To answer some of your questions here:
To install AbiWord go to the "start menu" and to Configuration->Packaging->Software Manager...this will start up the mandrake rpm manager. a popup will probably popup asking about configuring something...don't worry about that now just click No. Click the Installable tab and type Abiword in the Find: box and click search. It should show up under Search Result (if it doesnt search the installed since you could have it installed and not know) Click the box beside it to add it to the "packages to be installed queue" and then Click Install/Remove. It will go through the process and check all dependencies and it will ask you to insert one of the 3 cds....insert it and click ok and next....then it should install. Then quit Software manager and if you can't find it in your start menu then you can open a console and type abiword and press enter to start it.
To get gnome working you need to set it up to auto login to X on boot that way when you logout it will give you a graphical login and that will let you pick the session to use. Go to Mandrake Control Center and Click on Boot then click on Boot Config then at the bottom of the new dialog choose Launch the Xwindows System at start. and you can also set it to autologin there if you want. then after changing that and hitting ok restart your PC and see if it worked.
I just sent a tutorial on how to go from a fresh mandrake 8.1. install to a torque develiopment environment to Tim Gift so you can follow that if you want to get torque running in linux. (it goes through setting up NVidia drivers too if you havent done that yet if you have an nvidia card)
-Tim aka Spock
02/07/2002 (6:58 pm)
Jeff,If you want I can help you out if you shoot me an email...Im a newbie but have learned a lot so Im not tired of dealing with newbies. ;) I have completely switched to linux, torque was the last barrier and after getting kdevelop to work I can live without VC++.
To answer some of your questions here:
To install AbiWord go to the "start menu" and to Configuration->Packaging->Software Manager...this will start up the mandrake rpm manager. a popup will probably popup asking about configuring something...don't worry about that now just click No. Click the Installable tab and type Abiword in the Find: box and click search. It should show up under Search Result (if it doesnt search the installed since you could have it installed and not know) Click the box beside it to add it to the "packages to be installed queue" and then Click Install/Remove. It will go through the process and check all dependencies and it will ask you to insert one of the 3 cds....insert it and click ok and next....then it should install. Then quit Software manager and if you can't find it in your start menu then you can open a console and type abiword and press enter to start it.
To get gnome working you need to set it up to auto login to X on boot that way when you logout it will give you a graphical login and that will let you pick the session to use. Go to Mandrake Control Center and Click on Boot then click on Boot Config then at the bottom of the new dialog choose Launch the Xwindows System at start. and you can also set it to autologin there if you want. then after changing that and hitting ok restart your PC and see if it worked.
I just sent a tutorial on how to go from a fresh mandrake 8.1. install to a torque develiopment environment to Tim Gift so you can follow that if you want to get torque running in linux. (it goes through setting up NVidia drivers too if you havent done that yet if you have an nvidia card)
-Tim aka Spock
#19
I don't think even the most friendly distributions are good enough yet for total newbies get productive with quickly. Its a hard conversion, especially with the Windows "net" just a reboot away. But the distros make great progress each year, and if they keep that rate up its only a matter of time.
02/07/2002 (8:39 pm)
Jeff, its good that you're trying. I think your story is a fairly common one. I had several false starts with linux on my desktop before finally switching over just a few months ago. I only reboot into win98 for games now, something I hope to change with torque linux!I don't think even the most friendly distributions are good enough yet for total newbies get productive with quickly. Its a hard conversion, especially with the Windows "net" just a reboot away. But the distros make great progress each year, and if they keep that rate up its only a matter of time.
#20
Someone should port the basic utils like map2dif and buildwad.
Btw, anyone know if GtkRadiant can be configured to work with torque? that would be nice since its the only map editor on linux (besides the doom one made by alan cox). It would also be nice to see a tribalIDE like program for simple script editing/testing.
Tim, i will consider looking at KDevelop now that you got it to work with torque to see how it looks... but i dont think it can really replace a good vim/gcc mix :)
Well just a lil offtopic comment :) bye!
02/08/2002 (6:08 am)
I had used linux all the time till i got torque, heh since torque utils run only on windows i had to start using window again, hopefully soon all utils will be ported to linux and ill be back at my debian box with a nice torque development suite :)Someone should port the basic utils like map2dif and buildwad.
Btw, anyone know if GtkRadiant can be configured to work with torque? that would be nice since its the only map editor on linux (besides the doom one made by alan cox). It would also be nice to see a tribalIDE like program for simple script editing/testing.
Tim, i will consider looking at KDevelop now that you got it to work with torque to see how it looks... but i dont think it can really replace a good vim/gcc mix :)
Well just a lil offtopic comment :) bye!
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