You do not have access to this forum thread...why?

#1 Maybe you are hitting threads in the T2D forum, or TSE maybe? Do you own all 3 (TGE, T2D, TSE)?

I'm not a T2D owner so I get "you do not have access" once in a while when I do a search for something.

#2 I own T2D and nothing else, and I can't see that thread, so it must be a TGE/TSE thread.

#3 I own TGE and can't access the above thread. I've seen this a few times myself and wonder "what the heck!?". Personally, I think once I'm a "paying member" I should have access to all the dev forums. I've made a commitment and perhaps by seeing what other people are doing with other GG products, I may extend that commitment.

At the very least, the feedback could be a bit more helpful - like "you need to shell out another 50 clams to see this thread" or something useful.

But hey, I'm not bitter. Really.

I'm serious...

...nuts...

#4 A search on that forum thread returns the title of:

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Forum Thread : RTSUnit collision checks? :. GarageGames

So my guess is that is a special forum for those who own the RTS Starter Kit.

#5 Ah, you must be right! Mystery solved, thanks for your help!

#6 On a sidenote:

I concur with James...even though I dont own the particular RTS SDK, there's a big chance some small detail from a discussion in the "denied threads" could solve my particular problem. And that small detail doesnt have to relate exclusively to the SDK, it could be part of the "common" engine codebase.

Really, what harm would it do to have access to the complete forum, once you own atleast one SDK? (a question to GG staff), or atleast, a highly related SDK (I consider RTS highly related to TGE - isn't the former just an expansion of the latter?).

#7 The RTS starter kit contains lots of code that isn't in TGE, so you only get access related to such code if you own the RTS starter kit.

#8 People sometimes post code snippets in the forums. If you don't own the SDK, you don't get to see the code snippets. Resources are on the same system. Makes perfect sense to me.

#9 I agree that it's pretty rediculous to deny paying members access to all the dev fourms.

I mean heck, is there REALLY a chance that we are going to get access to code we havent bought? I for one have yet to see anything beyond code-snippits pasted, and code snippits != source code.

#10

Quote:I agree that it's pretty rediculous to deny paying members access to all the dev fourms.

Though you have some good points, it comes down to source code being displayed in these private forums, just like non Torque SDK owners can't browse the Torque Private SDK Owners forums because source code is discussed and posted.

I relate it to buying a book in a series, or a ticket at a theatre, you don't get to go in all the movies because you bought one. The division of packages is why Torque is so affordable and instead of packaging it as one and uping the price, they let you choose what you want :)

Really would defy the purpose of selling the RTS kit if they let you see forums in which the RTS kit source code was posted. Just some thoughts.


EDIT: btw keep in mind people spend countless hours, headaches, and stress working on these products and they sell them at a bargain bin price, they really give us all far too much for our money as it is.

#11

Quote:I mean heck, is there REALLY a chance that we are going to get access to code we havent bought? I for one have yet to see anything beyond code-snippits pasted, and code snippits != source code.

Sometimes links are posted for downloads, assets etc. that should only be available to those that own a certain product.

#12

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Really would defy the purpose of selling the RTS kit if they let you see forums in which the RTS kit source code was posted.

If someone copy/pasted large parts of the sourcecode into the Forum, I would agree. But really, noone does that. In the forum, we are talking smaller script code examples and the occasional 10-20 lines of c++.

Also: There are plenty of sites with downloadable Torque scripts. Are such sites illegally disclosing non-public material? Shouldn't GG get some money for each download? It mean, it's the same material - why should it matter where it's posted?

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They let you choose what you want :)

Generally a good idea, but again, really really: If ANYTHING, then full access to atleast forum threads (resources are another matter, in my opinion) would most likely increase my interest in the particular SDK.

In the current case:
I was hunting for some boid avoidence system when I was denied access to the "RTSUnit collision checks" thread. If this thread has indications that an avoidance system is integrated in RTS SDK, that would increase my interest in buying the SDK.

I guess I have to wait until a "Full Forum Addon" comes along, if I want forum info without owning the SDKs ;-)

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...they really give us all far too much for our money as it is.

And thats the strongest argument for not having to hold the cards so tight when it comes the forum access. Who, in their right mind, would consider harvesting source code from the forum, in an attempt to recreate an SDK in order to save $50? Even if it could be done, it would be pointless.

While I can understand your points, I still think they are hurting themselves far more than they are gaining by this forum division.

#13

Quote:If someone copy/pasted large parts of the sourcecode into the Forum, I would agree. But really, noone does that. In the forum, we are talking smaller script code examples and the occasional 10-20 lines of c++.

How do you know what the posts in that forum contain if you cannot access them?

If they are anything like the other private forums, patches, updates, tools and documentation are posted which are intended only for those who own a particular product.

Quote:If ANYTHING, then full access to atleast forum threads (resources are another matter, in my opinion) would most likely increase my interest in the particular SDK.

You can ask/read about features in a particular product in the associated public forum. Resources are often the result of discussions in private forums, and merely collect the relevant information together.

Quote:Who, in their right mind, would consider harvesting source code from the forum, in an attempt to recreate an SDK in order to save $50? Even if it could be done, it would be pointless.

Someone who has obtained an illegal copy of the product would greatly benefit from having access to private forums and any information and/or patches therein.

It might not be possible to completely stop piracy, but that is no reason to make it easy.

#14 .

#15 Just to hopefully help clear this up a bit:

Source code is so rampantly distributed for -all- of the content/code packs that quite honestly, for those that are willing to steal the code, the only reason left for them to actually purchase a license for a content/code pack is access to the forums. If we were to hand everyone access to each and every forum in the web site simply for having a TGE license, then it would be just that much easier for those that have already stolen the code to also get assistance for that stolen code.

Not the best answer for those that are honest, I know, but giving access to all forums based on one license unfortunately isn't an option.

#16 Okay, the responses so far I'll buy. Ah, that is, to access a forum, I must have purchased the SDK :)
Good. That's settled.
Now, let's work on a better response to someone trying to access a thread other than... You do not have access to this forum thread. Some useful and informative feedback would be in order. For example: In what forum does this thread sit?
Having said all that, I get it now but I had to have access to this thread to be so enlightened.

Cheers all.

#17 Lol this is too funny!

#18 Can't you also get banned from some threads if you misbehave? I think that's happened to me a lot. ;)