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by Donald Massey · in General Game Discussion · 01/12/2005 (1:16 pm) · 24 replies
So the thought police are alive and well at Garage Games aren't they, let players act how they want without any address.
Some of the orbz community will be glad to know that friendly fire played his last game today, the odd one or two may miss the challenge.
I can't be bothered fighting Texana and her little helpers any more as with the use of (mis) appropriate powers ups.
Many players have left for this reason and many more will i suppose.
bye bye
friendly
Some of the orbz community will be glad to know that friendly fire played his last game today, the odd one or two may miss the challenge.
I can't be bothered fighting Texana and her little helpers any more as with the use of (mis) appropriate powers ups.
Many players have left for this reason and many more will i suppose.
bye bye
friendly
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#2
The GarageGames forums are not here for you to start personal attacks on other people as the purpose of your post. This is not the appropriate place for you to vent your feelings regarding someone elses playstyle.
01/12/2005 (1:28 pm)
Donald, I deleted your post.The GarageGames forums are not here for you to start personal attacks on other people as the purpose of your post. This is not the appropriate place for you to vent your feelings regarding someone elses playstyle.
#3
The forums are for " Feedback, discussions, and play tips." Players should be responsable for their actions as i would justify and stand by any comments that i posted.
In the past players have cheated and ruined the solo games just as bailing in the last second ruins the multiplayer mode.
It was/is unacceptable behavior and where else other than orbz forums do you suggest i vent
my feelings Pat?
01/12/2005 (2:40 pm)
Leaving the game in the last second is NOT playstyle it's cheating the ranking system Pat.The forums are for " Feedback, discussions, and play tips." Players should be responsable for their actions as i would justify and stand by any comments that i posted.
In the past players have cheated and ruined the solo games just as bailing in the last second ruins the multiplayer mode.
It was/is unacceptable behavior and where else other than orbz forums do you suggest i vent
my feelings Pat?
#4
1) Pat's right
2) Instead of abuse, you post a helpful comment describing what the core problem is and how you propose to fix it.
Instead of "So-and-so's a cheater, so I'm throwing all my toys out of the pram", how about:
"The current ranking system kinda falls a bit flat if someone's quits just before a game ends, if they're losing. I propose that if anyone quits after 2/3 the way through a game, then their ranking is added to the global ranking anyways"
Of course, it's possible that that's already happening, and that whoever started this thread is simply imagining things
Gary (-;
EDIT: It's occurred to me that this may qualify as feeding the trolls, but I'm sincerely hoping that the initial poster will genuinely learn something.
01/12/2005 (2:58 pm)
Personally, I'd suggest1) Pat's right
2) Instead of abuse, you post a helpful comment describing what the core problem is and how you propose to fix it.
Instead of "So-and-so's a cheater, so I'm throwing all my toys out of the pram", how about:
"The current ranking system kinda falls a bit flat if someone's quits just before a game ends, if they're losing. I propose that if anyone quits after 2/3 the way through a game, then their ranking is added to the global ranking anyways"
Of course, it's possible that that's already happening, and that whoever started this thread is simply imagining things
Gary (-;
EDIT: It's occurred to me that this may qualify as feeding the trolls, but I'm sincerely hoping that the initial poster will genuinely learn something.
#5
FF, I would like to say goodbye. Though I do not believe that you will really leave, I can only hope so. I also hope that the younger players will no longer have to listen to your rude and agressive verbiage and that they will not try to take after you once you're gone.
Your personal affronts today were wiped away without much anger. I hope that you take Gary's advice and try to speak maturely on issues that you might have instead of acting poorly.
Recently in Portland, where I live, there was a Nazi skinhead rally scheduled in a park. The anti-fascists showed up in huge numbers. The boneheads had four people and left upon arriving. There was a local resident there who was going to take the leaflets that were to be passed out by the Nazis and make them into Origami Swans. What better way to deal with such words of ignorance and anger is there? Let them fly away.
Goodbye FF
01/12/2005 (3:48 pm)
Oh, the trolls can't get enough to eat, anyway, so don't let it stop you.FF, I would like to say goodbye. Though I do not believe that you will really leave, I can only hope so. I also hope that the younger players will no longer have to listen to your rude and agressive verbiage and that they will not try to take after you once you're gone.
Your personal affronts today were wiped away without much anger. I hope that you take Gary's advice and try to speak maturely on issues that you might have instead of acting poorly.
Recently in Portland, where I live, there was a Nazi skinhead rally scheduled in a park. The anti-fascists showed up in huge numbers. The boneheads had four people and left upon arriving. There was a local resident there who was going to take the leaflets that were to be passed out by the Nazis and make them into Origami Swans. What better way to deal with such words of ignorance and anger is there? Let them fly away.
Goodbye FF
#6
01/12/2005 (4:08 pm)
Bet youv'e not got one example of my rude and agressive verbiage out of the odd 800 games i play a month have you? i ve made many points on the forums most of which constructive including bringing bugs to light and play tips. I've never met you or don't even think that i've spoke to you, don't even know what name you play under, but you do seem to be doing the same on these forums as Gary criticises me for and you don't even have a valid point or a genuine reason.
#7
Sorry to hear of you leaving the game. It has been fun and a great challenge battling you in Orbz. It's been great fun and great training, you are not an easy fellow to go up against. Hope you reconsider.
01/14/2005 (10:43 am)
Hey FF,Sorry to hear of you leaving the game. It has been fun and a great challenge battling you in Orbz. It's been great fun and great training, you are not an easy fellow to go up against. Hope you reconsider.
#8
01/15/2005 (6:09 am)
Hopefully we can get you back for Orbz 3. We will be tracking disconnects and they will affect your rank. There is also a new option to disable global powerups if you don't want to play with them.
#9
Hopefully disconnects don't negatively affect one's rank more than the current state of the game would be: I see a lot of folks who get disconnected far too often and I've crashed out more often since the new servers went up.
01/20/2005 (5:09 pm)
Not that it matters for much longer but it was my understanding that fleeing a game early doesn't change anything. i.e., if someone leaves to avoid a bad game it goes in the stats anyhow. Which is how it should be. Though it would be nice to have a grace period for the first 5-10 seconds or if the player stays at zero points when frozen.Hopefully disconnects don't negatively affect one's rank more than the current state of the game would be: I see a lot of folks who get disconnected far too often and I've crashed out more often since the new servers went up.
#10
I mean, come on. The stats are only a month-long, and if you play enough, your score will settle you at a suitable position, even if for individual moments it goes off-kinter by one or two places.
Of course, if the difference is between being ranked first and fourth, then someone may have a point. But then, those people already play enough that I wouldn't have thought a single match makes much in the way of odds.
Blather.
Gary (-;
01/20/2005 (5:24 pm)
I fail to see what the real issue with the whole ranking-in-the-one-case-you-quit thing.I mean, come on. The stats are only a month-long, and if you play enough, your score will settle you at a suitable position, even if for individual moments it goes off-kinter by one or two places.
Of course, if the difference is between being ranked first and fourth, then someone may have a point. But then, those people already play enough that I wouldn't have thought a single match makes much in the way of odds.
Blather.
Gary (-;
#11
This assumes there are two ways of playing Orbz and makes no judgement.
[1] If a player decides to host a game & doesn't want neg pups used, and they let everyone know or the game play reflects such a choice......OK
[2] If a player 'decides' to host an Orbz game and they want all power ups used, and they let everyone know or the game play reflects such a choice......OK
[3] Current host leaves, another player becomes the new host, game should continue on as it was, including the choice of neg pups or no neg pups, **unless the new host changes it.....OK
.....**Usually a new host (or another player) suggests this change in one of two ways. Either a *mild question like "does anyone want to", in which case the more players, the more division, if there's more than 2 or 3 playing, continuing with previous hosts choice usually prevails. Or a *strong assertion like "the negs are out of the barn", or "glad thats over no more negs now", which is usually taken for the statement of change it is intended to be.
Simple as 1, 2, 3, as long as players remember they have a choice - stay or leave. Once they make that choice they should not complain. OKAY I hear ya! I didn't mention the gate crashers..... The 1, 2, 3, for entering ongoing games, which also seems simple to me.
*1st player choice - enter and observe for a while whats happening with power ups, obviously a courtious player who will play the same as everyone else or leave.
*2nd player choice - enter and ask "are we playing neg pups or not?", the answer should be a simple yes or no, but as often as it is ~ it also is not. An answer of no negs can come with a multitude of quirks and opinions as to when it is permissable to use a neg? Obviously a courtious but woefully misguided player here, as often this simple question is all it takes to start a debate, and sometimes a heated debate (to put it politely). Woefully this can stop the game for quite a while.
*3rd player choice - enter and play any way you want, until & unless host (or another player) addresses you directly, or makes a general remark regarding the use of power ups, players usually take heed or leave. Those that are stubborn enough to continue playing any way they want, without regard to other players may soon have a problem finding Orbz opponents, unless playing in crowded games, where it can be difficult to define or establish player preferences. Besides being shunned their stubborness can also earn them labels like 'rude' or 'cheat'.
*Usually a players learning curve will remedy which choice they make when entering an ongoing game, thru trial and error most players find choice # 1 is the easiest, it is by far the most popular.
All that said..... Freindly I have to assume you have been unfairly shunned or labeled. My opinion is from all the games we have played, I never once thought of you as unfair or rude. So if there are a few who do not like you..... oh well, let it be their problem ~ not yours. And if you got caught in the middle of that recent heave-ho by those few who wanted all players to play Orbz only one way when it came to POWER UPS..... oh well, let it be their problem ~ not yours......And at the risk of upsetting the apple cart, I must add: When tex hosts a game - hey we all know its no negs, but when tex joins an ongoing game with neg pups - she usually leaves quietly. I know, I host as many neg games as not - and when it's neg pups tex never tries to change it. I like to play Orbz it's fun, with or without negs it's fun. I have never left a game because it was one way or the other on this issue.
Try to shake it off freindly, don't let a few push you out. If you only like playing negs join neg pup games, if there are only no neg games going on - speak up, ask if anyone wants to practice their negs or start another game. (smile) What have you really got to lose ??? .....hopeful I'm helpful, bhwow
01/24/2005 (4:30 am)
Freindly, maybe, just maybe I don't get it. This is my understanding, simple as it may be, of what many players find troublesome - POWER UPS.This assumes there are two ways of playing Orbz and makes no judgement.
[1] If a player decides to host a game & doesn't want neg pups used, and they let everyone know or the game play reflects such a choice......OK
[2] If a player 'decides' to host an Orbz game and they want all power ups used, and they let everyone know or the game play reflects such a choice......OK
[3] Current host leaves, another player becomes the new host, game should continue on as it was, including the choice of neg pups or no neg pups, **unless the new host changes it.....OK
.....**Usually a new host (or another player) suggests this change in one of two ways. Either a *mild question like "does anyone want to", in which case the more players, the more division, if there's more than 2 or 3 playing, continuing with previous hosts choice usually prevails. Or a *strong assertion like "the negs are out of the barn", or "glad thats over no more negs now", which is usually taken for the statement of change it is intended to be.
Simple as 1, 2, 3, as long as players remember they have a choice - stay or leave. Once they make that choice they should not complain. OKAY I hear ya! I didn't mention the gate crashers..... The 1, 2, 3, for entering ongoing games, which also seems simple to me.
*1st player choice - enter and observe for a while whats happening with power ups, obviously a courtious player who will play the same as everyone else or leave.
*2nd player choice - enter and ask "are we playing neg pups or not?", the answer should be a simple yes or no, but as often as it is ~ it also is not. An answer of no negs can come with a multitude of quirks and opinions as to when it is permissable to use a neg? Obviously a courtious but woefully misguided player here, as often this simple question is all it takes to start a debate, and sometimes a heated debate (to put it politely). Woefully this can stop the game for quite a while.
*3rd player choice - enter and play any way you want, until & unless host (or another player) addresses you directly, or makes a general remark regarding the use of power ups, players usually take heed or leave. Those that are stubborn enough to continue playing any way they want, without regard to other players may soon have a problem finding Orbz opponents, unless playing in crowded games, where it can be difficult to define or establish player preferences. Besides being shunned their stubborness can also earn them labels like 'rude' or 'cheat'.
*Usually a players learning curve will remedy which choice they make when entering an ongoing game, thru trial and error most players find choice # 1 is the easiest, it is by far the most popular.
All that said..... Freindly I have to assume you have been unfairly shunned or labeled. My opinion is from all the games we have played, I never once thought of you as unfair or rude. So if there are a few who do not like you..... oh well, let it be their problem ~ not yours. And if you got caught in the middle of that recent heave-ho by those few who wanted all players to play Orbz only one way when it came to POWER UPS..... oh well, let it be their problem ~ not yours......And at the risk of upsetting the apple cart, I must add: When tex hosts a game - hey we all know its no negs, but when tex joins an ongoing game with neg pups - she usually leaves quietly. I know, I host as many neg games as not - and when it's neg pups tex never tries to change it. I like to play Orbz it's fun, with or without negs it's fun. I have never left a game because it was one way or the other on this issue.
Try to shake it off freindly, don't let a few push you out. If you only like playing negs join neg pup games, if there are only no neg games going on - speak up, ask if anyone wants to practice their negs or start another game. (smile) What have you really got to lose ??? .....hopeful I'm helpful, bhwow
#12
01/24/2005 (8:22 am)
Wll Said, Wow!
#13
01/24/2005 (9:40 am)
What you said Bh is right on! People should play in rooms that suit them. They should not purposely go into a room that they know is no-neg and pup repeatedly. Newbs need to be given a little room to grow on that topic. It takes a while to figure out how you like to play. It's hard, though, to know if people are newbs or if they are just using an alias. I think that happens quite alot and the person doesn't let on.
#14
Author Topic: Freeze ranking on password games
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Jan 10, 2004 07:13 PST
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Ok, so that's not aggressive?
Nightmare
Member Posted: Feb 09, 2004 15:52 PST
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Feb 10, 2004 00:17 PST
That seems constructive.
Keith Frampton
Member Posted: Feb 10, 2004 13:18 PST
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Feb 13, 2004 08:04 PST
Thanks for the tips!
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Mar 09, 2004 04:04 PST
Nightmare
Member Posted: Mar 09, 2004 12:21 PST
Edited on Mar 09, 2004 17:50 PST
Michelle Driscoll
Member Posted: Mar 13, 2004 09:06 PST
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Mar 13, 2004 18:18 PST
Yes, King Donald!!!
Well...
01/24/2005 (3:28 pm)
This is in response to FF saying that he only gives tips and constructive ideas in the posts.Author Topic: Freeze ranking on password games
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Jan 10, 2004 07:13 PST
Quote:Certain players will only play each other on a locked server, fine but their rank should be frozen." Oh we don't like negative power ups, don't like the way you play". Ha ha ha.. get real texas lot step out into the real Orbz world it would probably improve your game. Nobody likes losing all the time but power ups are part of the game, maybe the Orbz team should create a diluted version just for the less courageous amongst us.
friendly fire xxx
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Ok, so that's not aggressive?
Nightmare
Member Posted: Feb 09, 2004 15:52 PST
Quote:Yea Kevin, I guess they can be used as defensive weapons. I've never thought about them that way.... =)
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Feb 10, 2004 00:17 PST
Quote:I have and that is why at the end of a game, if i haven't used it, i release it in the dying seconds (much to the frustration of the whingers) .My favorite use of "nasties" is on level 2 where 3 can be let off off in as many seconds. Sometimes it does seem a little unfair if a player starts next to 1 but so what, just more of a challange really.
That seems constructive.
Keith Frampton
Member Posted: Feb 10, 2004 13:18 PST
Quote:Hello everyone:
I have just noticed a new player rank in the Orbz rankings. They are using the name:
Keithe Frampton.
I don't know how long this rank has existed, but I can assure you that this player IS NOT me. I use the name Slacker for online play & Keith Frampton for the solo rankings. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish by doing this. As far as I'm concerned, this rank should be removed from the system.
Keith
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Feb 13, 2004 08:04 PST
Quote:Well Keith he/she is pretty good so i wouldn't worry . Another way of impersonating is to uncheck the rank box then you don't need a password. Sometimes it can be useful to obtain passwords for locked games but i'd never do anything like that. Oh no.
Thanks for the tips!
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Mar 09, 2004 04:04 PST
Quote:Is it really neccesary at the start of each game to ask if we are ready, r? r? r?. If the player box is ticked then lets assume we are please, and if your not then tough.
Friendly fire.
Nightmare
Member Posted: Mar 09, 2004 12:21 PST
Quote:U should ask if people are ready because its good courtesy to the players if theyre typing something it lets them know that ur ready to begin the game
Edited on Mar 09, 2004 17:50 PST
Michelle Driscoll
Member Posted: Mar 13, 2004 09:06 PST
Quote:I think its up to the individual who is hosting the game, personally I think its polite to check as sometimes players need to say something or come out of the game for a bit and they may need time to do it!!
Donald Massey
Member Posted: Mar 13, 2004 18:18 PST
Quote:Yes quite that is why we all say "gg" at the end of a game, then we know we've now't to say. R?...It's a silly habit and i am bored of it,,, OK? Of course we're ready, i am sat in front of the screen what else am i doing???. ( that you'd care about)There is a box to uncheck if your not ready. Who says "no i want to check if Zeg's full yet?"FF
Silly habit, not polite, no one pays attention to reply so be brave and just start.
Yes, King Donald!!!
Well...
#15
01/24/2005 (4:58 pm)
At last some action on the forum.
#17
without responding until now .
On the subject of negs I am glad to hear there are those who can take them with a smile and some that enjoy them !
I learned to play orbz from Sacker a little over a year ago. Because Slacker only won by playing clean games and concentrated on keeping his chain ,he did not need to use negs to cripple other players in order to get ahead.
Unfortunately in learning this way , the use of negs never came into play so I did not learn where they were positioned in maps nor how to look for them in order to activate.
YES.........they are there and yes, they are part of the game , just part of the game my "mentor" neglected to teach me! ( its all your fault Slack :-)
As for Orbz manners . Whew! Seems to me manners are universal when it comes to being polite and respectful to others.'
Most of the players I have encountered are polite. As in real life, there are a few who do not know or care how they treat their opponents .
Calling other players nasty names...throwing out extremely negative comments.......
coming into a private server ,taunting the players in there and returning three or four times repeating these taunts after being asked to leave ,then being kicked.........I could go on but will stop here.
This to me is totally unacceptable behavior and totally unsportsmanlike play. No names need be mentioned because you know who your are and you must know you have made the game
very unfriendly for many who now avoid you .
One last issue. The servers have been shakey and I have lost connection many times lately in the middle of games.
Sometimes I was actually in the lead and all went black or froze .Restarting the game immediately , I have received the dreaded message ........ " No games found".
So to those who dislike "bailing" midgame ........please
know it is not always by choice.
Hope to see you all on Orbz and to all the new players out there,
Welcome !
Mary Hood
01/25/2005 (8:55 am)
Well.........it seems as though there may be some misunderstandings here and I have sat quietly reading postswithout responding until now .
On the subject of negs I am glad to hear there are those who can take them with a smile and some that enjoy them !
I learned to play orbz from Sacker a little over a year ago. Because Slacker only won by playing clean games and concentrated on keeping his chain ,he did not need to use negs to cripple other players in order to get ahead.
Unfortunately in learning this way , the use of negs never came into play so I did not learn where they were positioned in maps nor how to look for them in order to activate.
YES.........they are there and yes, they are part of the game , just part of the game my "mentor" neglected to teach me! ( its all your fault Slack :-)
As for Orbz manners . Whew! Seems to me manners are universal when it comes to being polite and respectful to others.'
Most of the players I have encountered are polite. As in real life, there are a few who do not know or care how they treat their opponents .
Calling other players nasty names...throwing out extremely negative comments.......
coming into a private server ,taunting the players in there and returning three or four times repeating these taunts after being asked to leave ,then being kicked.........I could go on but will stop here.
This to me is totally unacceptable behavior and totally unsportsmanlike play. No names need be mentioned because you know who your are and you must know you have made the game
very unfriendly for many who now avoid you .
One last issue. The servers have been shakey and I have lost connection many times lately in the middle of games.
Sometimes I was actually in the lead and all went black or froze .Restarting the game immediately , I have received the dreaded message ........ " No games found".
So to those who dislike "bailing" midgame ........please
know it is not always by choice.
Hope to see you all on Orbz and to all the new players out there,
Welcome !
Mary Hood
#18
Sending mummy's boy Pipes those threads, desperate are't you.
As well as gg at the end we've "progessed" to wtg as well uh. so dull.
Quick mummy's boy post those other quotes tex has sent to you.
You avoid me because NONE OF YOU CAN BEAT ME, full stop.
FF
p.s
"Hope to see you all on Orbz and to all the new players out there,
Welcome !
Mary Hood"
just dont beat me else i 'm off!!!
hahahahaha
01/25/2005 (10:04 am)
Quick Tex... take a look you just got that notify me email for this thread.Sending mummy's boy Pipes those threads, desperate are't you.
As well as gg at the end we've "progessed" to wtg as well uh. so dull.
Quick mummy's boy post those other quotes tex has sent to you.
You avoid me because NONE OF YOU CAN BEAT ME, full stop.
FF
p.s
"Hope to see you all on Orbz and to all the new players out there,
Welcome !
Mary Hood"
just dont beat me else i 'm off!!!
hahahahaha
#19
01/25/2005 (10:22 am)
Superlative example of a constructive tip Donald.
#20
You'd better get practicing, friendly has many other registered names!!!
yeeeeeeehaw
01/25/2005 (11:38 am)
Texana makes the bullets for mummy's boy to fire at friendly who only started the post 'cus it's been a bit quiet here.You'd better get practicing, friendly has many other registered names!!!
yeeeeeeehaw
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