The Cost of using .NET
by Shawn · in Technical Issues · 10/24/2001 (4:41 pm) · 9 replies
#2
It's perfectly reasonable for a company to charge for services, though the information in the article does not really give enough information to evaluate the pricing.
.Net has some interesting ideas, though I doubt Microsoft will pull this off first time. But they seem to have a talent of surviving until they make it work, as with DirectX.
I'd like Sun to make Java a true standard, and then open source it's code. This would help counter some of the .Net 'take over the world' plans of MS, and accelerate the development of more open alternatives.
10/25/2001 (1:43 am)
Note that these charges are for using '.Net My Services', and not .Net on it's own. These services can be used by any OS, as it's web based.It's perfectly reasonable for a company to charge for services, though the information in the article does not really give enough information to evaluate the pricing.
.Net has some interesting ideas, though I doubt Microsoft will pull this off first time. But they seem to have a talent of surviving until they make it work, as with DirectX.
I'd like Sun to make Java a true standard, and then open source it's code. This would help counter some of the .Net 'take over the world' plans of MS, and accelerate the development of more open alternatives.
#3
Microsoft made .NET and they make just about every type of software that any developer would make using .NET. Now, if I'm Microsoft, do I want consumers buying my products (which are limited) or give them the key to have an unlimited amount of products.
They are ass holes, yes, and they are a monopoly, no. Even though it's unfair, bill has the right to do this, he started out in his basement, but the guy invented something that was just great, in fact, it's the only software out that is not in "BETA" ;)
So yes, .NET is expensive, and yes Microsoft is unfair, but even so, if you are a multi-million coorporation, those prices don't scare you. So to put it simply, .NET is for companies with the size of Microsoft to use. hehehehe.
12/10/2001 (8:57 pm)
actually james... it's as simple as this:Microsoft made .NET and they make just about every type of software that any developer would make using .NET. Now, if I'm Microsoft, do I want consumers buying my products (which are limited) or give them the key to have an unlimited amount of products.
They are ass holes, yes, and they are a monopoly, no. Even though it's unfair, bill has the right to do this, he started out in his basement, but the guy invented something that was just great, in fact, it's the only software out that is not in "BETA" ;)
So yes, .NET is expensive, and yes Microsoft is unfair, but even so, if you are a multi-million coorporation, those prices don't scare you. So to put it simply, .NET is for companies with the size of Microsoft to use. hehehehe.
#4
On a personal note, we have all switched to either Opera or Mozilla browsers, and are actively attempting to wean ourselves of Office, Outlook, and other MS products. We simply do not want to pay the MS tax any longer. It is our little voice of resistance to the proven illegal monopoly.
This monopoly is carrying over into games and will affect you in the future, but that is a subject for a column or .plan.
Jeff Tunnell GG
12/10/2001 (9:55 pm)
I don't see GarageGames signing up for .Net services of any kind. We simply do not trust Microsoft enough. I could envision them getting us all set up on .Net myWallet services at a very attractive "introductory" rate, then high jacking us once we are hooked in and dependent.On a personal note, we have all switched to either Opera or Mozilla browsers, and are actively attempting to wean ourselves of Office, Outlook, and other MS products. We simply do not want to pay the MS tax any longer. It is our little voice of resistance to the proven illegal monopoly.
This monopoly is carrying over into games and will affect you in the future, but that is a subject for a column or .plan.
Jeff Tunnell GG
#5
12/10/2001 (11:18 pm)
Every SERIOUS indie developer with a good plan ought to get a Xbox with a SDK :)
#6
just curious..are you still using windows?
Disclaimer: This isn't mean't as a smart*** comment, so don't take it the wrong way, I am just curious.
12/11/2001 (1:48 am)
Quote:On a personal note, we have all switched to either Opera or Mozilla browsers, and are actively attempting to wean ourselves of Office, Outlook, and other MS products. We simply do not want to pay the MS tax any longer. It is our little voice of resistance to the proven illegal monopoly.
This monopoly is carrying over into games and will affect you in the future, but that is a subject for a column or .plan.
just curious..are you still using windows?
Disclaimer: This isn't mean't as a smart*** comment, so don't take it the wrong way, I am just curious.
#7
It's highly unlikely that any independent developer without a track record of publishing games would be able to publish XBox games. Console publishing is an entirely different process than PC publishing, as although Microsoft will let you get hold of the SDK they have stringent requirements over the publication of games, involving a rigourous quality control procedure.
You will need to get the backing of a publisher, and this only comes with a proven track record or an outstanding demo and great team behind it. I don't see many developers here pulling this off, and the PC is certainly the best platform for people new to the scene.
Doug EnkiSoftware Limited
12/11/2001 (5:00 am)
Shawn,It's highly unlikely that any independent developer without a track record of publishing games would be able to publish XBox games. Console publishing is an entirely different process than PC publishing, as although Microsoft will let you get hold of the SDK they have stringent requirements over the publication of games, involving a rigourous quality control procedure.
You will need to get the backing of a publisher, and this only comes with a proven track record or an outstanding demo and great team behind it. I don't see many developers here pulling this off, and the PC is certainly the best platform for people new to the scene.
Doug EnkiSoftware Limited
#8
Oh, I have a Mac Cube as well. Great purchase there:)
Jeff Tunnell GG
12/11/2001 (11:11 am)
I still use Windows. Every year, I try to use Linux, and it has gotten better every year. This year, I might be able to make the transition. I'll still have to dual boot, but it's getting closer.Oh, I have a Mac Cube as well. Great purchase there:)
Jeff Tunnell GG
#9
Stuart "Pro-Microsoft" Campbell :)
06/29/2002 (8:15 am)
Visual Studio .NET is the finest development environment this world has ever seen. It functionality/features of this product never cease to amaze me - if you can think of it, its in there and they've implemented it better than you can imagine. This software has taken ages to develop and frankly i find it amusing that people are complaining about the price. With the number of man-hours it has taken to develop this product it wouldn't surprise me if they are still making a loss at these so called ridiculous prices. Im sick of people whining about Microsoft - if it wasnt for them the computer industry wouldn't be what it is today. And for another matter the actual Visual Studio .NET suite of products is aimed at software development companies - not individuals that enjoy programming as a hobby. If you want to compile Torque using .NET buy Visual C++.NET it is much cheaper than the whole suite.Stuart "Pro-Microsoft" Campbell :)
Torque Owner James Connell
I cannot believe those bastards at Micro$haft.
I thought the Big Bro in XP was bad enough, but this is incredible. It will be a cold day in hell before I go for this one.
I think that Micro$haft has really screwed themselves on this one. I would think most developers would say "okay, fine, keep your .NET, I'm gonna use Linux and you can suck it, Bill...". I sure hope so. What on Earth makes them think they are so special anyway? The only thing I need Windoze for now is for games, period.