A Deep Question...
by FilbertMM · in ThinkTanks · 11/09/2003 (6:47 pm) · 53 replies
I would like to pose a question. Does age lend to insollence? Does a matter of days --years allow us to take behavior well that when seen in any other source is naught but ill reputed bullying, rudeness, and immaturity? I place this question in front of all the TT veterans who put there experience in front of them as a sheild or buffer, while striking aways at the truth, and innocence. When mistakes are made, should they be picked up and used as a weapon? A stone in the hand of a bully? Or should they be used to gently critisize and try to make better what was/is wrong. Should the old-timers be allowed to eradicate and hurt everyone in life just because thay can do so in a game? NO! Should they be given a position of honer in our eyes, when, in any real life situaton, they do nothing but to shatter that position? Should they be allowed to put curse words, porn, harsh critisizm, and rude taunts, on this forum, yet turn around and malign the actions of everyone else!? There are some people here that earn respect not just from game playing that goes above and beyond, but by an ability to be civilized in the face of all. I will not name names either way, but this is how it should be! The good players should also be a true influence upon the rest of the TT community. The sad part is, when corrupt power goes to far it can not be turned back, the minds of so many have been twisted and wrought into BOT-like AI. follow the program, follow the old-time players...! I know this will not be taken well by any. I will be laughed at and my reputation will fall yet some more, yet that the truth would be heard I will do ANYTHING!
About the author
#2
Fortunately, additional years usually leads to humility. The shallow joy of tearing others down eventually looses it's edge, and people move on. It just takes longer for some to take that next step in growing up.
Be patient and try not to let it bother you.
-- 56k
11/09/2003 (10:07 pm)
The anonymous nature of gaming allows people to behave in ways that would not be accepted in general society. If the same level of immaturity was shown, say on the job, they would not last there long- or not get the opportunity to work in the first place. Fortunately, additional years usually leads to humility. The shallow joy of tearing others down eventually looses it's edge, and people move on. It just takes longer for some to take that next step in growing up.
Be patient and try not to let it bother you.
-- 56k
#3
Shut Up!
Item 2
The struggle of youth is perpetual!
Item 3
You will only understand "you'll understand when your older"
when you are older no matter how much you try now.
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Age only provides for the opportunity of wisdom.
Item 5
This is a games forum lets play games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11/10/2003 (5:22 am)
Item 1Shut Up!
Item 2
The struggle of youth is perpetual!
Item 3
You will only understand "you'll understand when your older"
when you are older no matter how much you try now.
Item 4
Age only provides for the opportunity of wisdom.
Item 5
This is a games forum lets play games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#4
anywho
Battle on!!!!
from the Leopard's Den
11/10/2003 (5:41 am)
Well from one of the older dinasours in the group here is my 2 cents...I am here for the fun and entertainment and if I can meet a few decent people along the way..Great! However it is just a game ,so don't take it personally. The best way to deal with stupidity and ignorance is to educate and then ignore. I have run across a cople bozo's lately and it is amazing what happens when you don't respond to them..anywho
Battle on!!!!
from the Leopard's Den
#5
11/10/2003 (7:38 am)
What you may not understand, is that I am not speaking of a personal situation in my own gaming experience. I am speaking of a minority of people who are boosted by there status' and feel they can black talk, and curse at everyone! When a situation mixed with good and evil is found, especially when the bad is in the minority, should it not be purified? should we not try? Are the people here who "just come for fun" not realizing what a better experience this could be without foul-mouthed, bullying players? It is your exceptence of most of them that allows them to continue! Sure, there are some demos who will stop at nothing to mess up a game, but what about the buyers, the ancient buyers? The ones who can do intollerable acts and then be laughed at! If the general group decides to let them know it is not apreciated, this will become a better inviroment far all, especially the younger ones. (did anyone else realize 12 year old * left the forums? THat was due to a large amout of bullying, same with drew.) I have thought many times of following them, but my life has taught me to stand tough. This is only a game, but with the amount of time we all spend on it, shouldn't we all do out best to make it a clean place?
#6
with anonimity comes freedoms, often misused. That said, we do often see the dark side of folks in TT, both verbally and through their actions. i can only suggest that when blatant examples pop up, voice your digust during the game. Tru, this will feed some folks, but I seem to have a pretty good average with it. (alternately, focus you're ammo on that one individual mercilessly, it feels good 1, and may often bug the into leaving 2) In the long run, folks with no friends don't tend to stick around too long...(doesn't explain me though :)
thats all i gots..
11/10/2003 (8:57 am)
This seems to be a reoccuring topic...with anonimity comes freedoms, often misused. That said, we do often see the dark side of folks in TT, both verbally and through their actions. i can only suggest that when blatant examples pop up, voice your digust during the game. Tru, this will feed some folks, but I seem to have a pretty good average with it. (alternately, focus you're ammo on that one individual mercilessly, it feels good 1, and may often bug the into leaving 2) In the long run, folks with no friends don't tend to stick around too long...(doesn't explain me though :)
thats all i gots..
#7
then again, i just woke up.
11/10/2003 (9:11 am)
As far as shoddy communities go, i think we have it pretty good here. in my past online iterations, the bullies dominted game play, aware of cheats and bugs and things to leverage against the straight players combined with the verbal harassment. Here, i think there's a minimum of that. the guys who usually win are not doing so underhandedly, and the cheater/pest fish usually get rooted out or lose patience because they don't take the time to learn how to swim. its one of the positive benefits of a solid game engine i reckon.then again, i just woke up.
#9
And Filbert, realize that the world is just about never going to treat you well. Those people who win the lottery are exceptions, but how many of them do you know personally? Take everything that happens to you that you view as "cruel" or "unfair", put it into perspective (as in "this isn't so bad, think of the troops in Iraq", not "why is this happening to me"), and deal with it according to your worldview. As a Christian, accept the mistakes you may make, the mistakes you may be unjustly accused of, and the abuses you'll receive from others who don't share your point of view. Then forgive them to the best of your ability and move on, learning from your mistakes. It's always worked for me, now you try it.
Ben(SA)
11/10/2003 (11:40 am)
Am I a freak, then, cause my teen problems aren't quite what Flea described...He's right about everything else though. Fil, tell everyone to let this thread expire peacefully like all your others.And Filbert, realize that the world is just about never going to treat you well. Those people who win the lottery are exceptions, but how many of them do you know personally? Take everything that happens to you that you view as "cruel" or "unfair", put it into perspective (as in "this isn't so bad, think of the troops in Iraq", not "why is this happening to me"), and deal with it according to your worldview. As a Christian, accept the mistakes you may make, the mistakes you may be unjustly accused of, and the abuses you'll receive from others who don't share your point of view. Then forgive them to the best of your ability and move on, learning from your mistakes. It's always worked for me, now you try it.
Ben(SA)
#10
11/10/2003 (12:03 pm)
I am not compaining about anything happening to me. I am complaining about the general tone of many players. If you really do want names, I will ist 'em. FoulPlay, how can you tipe a porn thread, and have everyone laugh at it, then turn around and dis everyone else. flea, how can you put down someone trying to fix a corrupted situation as having a "un-working brain," then do things unworthy of your adault statis? You can all ignore it if you want. You have to understand, not only the newbies need to be shown our discust, the well known players who take advantage of that do too!
#11
11/10/2003 (12:11 pm)
Wow Flea was right about you not getting irony, instructions, JOKES, so on... Dude, chill out.
#12
When you start saying things like "should it not be purified", you scare the hell out of me. slippery slope my friend, as it has been since, most notably, the 1940s. Using the root pur- in regard to populations of people should be avoided, unless your closet consists largely of black, white and red.
11/10/2003 (12:15 pm)
There's a difference between excessive verbal filth and showing some personality. i like to think im a cheery-o fellow, but i have my moments- like we all do. if you're looking for a purified environment, turn on the adult filter-that's why it's there. if you don't like what someone is saying, take a deep breath, it will probably be over soon. i dont know what you mean with your FP and flea examples. try and elaborate in clearer fashion.When you start saying things like "should it not be purified", you scare the hell out of me. slippery slope my friend, as it has been since, most notably, the 1940s. Using the root pur- in regard to populations of people should be avoided, unless your closet consists largely of black, white and red.
#13
1. Agree to disagree.
2. Don't.
The first will doubtless lead to greater enjoyment of the game for you, while the second will just make you more miserable and bull headed.
11/10/2003 (12:22 pm)
You're in deep water here, Fil. You could be wrong here *gasp* so take it in stride. You really have two options. 1. Agree to disagree.
2. Don't.
The first will doubtless lead to greater enjoyment of the game for you, while the second will just make you more miserable and bull headed.
#14
11/10/2003 (12:25 pm)
*applause, soft cheers, grows louder, raucous cheers, stampede of stage, SteAlth carried off on shoulders of proletariat*
#15
11/10/2003 (12:30 pm)
Filbert has some good points. I'm not sure why people here have to make coments about him "putting down his crack pipe". Saying he has to live with what happens online is fine. Can't you just explain that instead of insulting him? I know how he feels. There are some players (well really one in particular, easy to guess) who think that since they are better at TT they can dish on the other players in a very mean spirited way. It is all supposed to be for fun. Sometimes it isn't because people take winning so seriously, and so much PRIDE in being good at a VIDEO GAME that they lose sight of what it should be about. Also many players, myself included, forget about minors being online. Yes there is much jabbing that may be taken the wrong way sometimes, but there is also much mean spirited cruelty as well.
#16
I know how he feels cause I was in his situation once. I had only just bought the game after using up my demo hour, and I'm trying to win a battlemode. Of course there are players who abuse obvious newbies, and who enjoy picking on them. It's a completely natural feeling, and it's included in the whole package that makes us do the other bad stuff. Work with them, just like SteAlth said. It's often helpful to be able to laugh at yourself, it's a very freeing feeling. I've just gone with the flow for the five months I've had this game now, and it has certainly been great. I personally think it's a great community. The leagues are certainly helpful in getting players to interact more, and I'm getting interaction with greats such as Az, Tally Ho, and jangles through them. That's how it works. Play along, Filbert.
Ben(SA)
11/10/2003 (12:37 pm)
Of course. It's that way in a school cafeteria too. I know how he feels cause I was in his situation once. I had only just bought the game after using up my demo hour, and I'm trying to win a battlemode. Of course there are players who abuse obvious newbies, and who enjoy picking on them. It's a completely natural feeling, and it's included in the whole package that makes us do the other bad stuff. Work with them, just like SteAlth said. It's often helpful to be able to laugh at yourself, it's a very freeing feeling. I've just gone with the flow for the five months I've had this game now, and it has certainly been great. I personally think it's a great community. The leagues are certainly helpful in getting players to interact more, and I'm getting interaction with greats such as Az, Tally Ho, and jangles through them. That's how it works. Play along, Filbert.
Ben(SA)
#17
I'm not beyond an expletive or two myself, but I try to keep it to a minimum online since there are minors around. (Yeah, some of them are worse than the adults, but why add to that? :) )
However, there isn't much we can do about it except self-police. We can ask the offender to stop. Some might. Others are there just to be that way so they won't. Like someone else mentioned, targeting the offender over and over can help relieve some frustration. :) (Just make sure it's really offensive or others will figure you're the jerk.) Generally just ignoring them works, even if it's difficult.
Where is the line and who draws it? Well, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once said he couldn't define obscenity, but he knew it when he saw it. Basically, we all may have a different line of what we find to be over the top. Over time, the reaction to these things will kind of normalize to a sort of "middle ground" -- they won't stop, but the response from the community will be fairly consistent anyway.
As for the forums, that's GarageGames' business. I just stop reading threads that don't interest me for whatever reason.
11/10/2003 (1:15 pm)
I think Filbert has a point as well, and trashing him for it really doesn't do much to help the situation. I found quite a bit of FoulPlay's images posted in another thread to be fairly offensive as well (some were funny, and some weren't to me, and others I knew would offend others but not me, etc. yadda yadda). And sometimes the amount of mean-spirited and foul trashtalk in the game is beyond necessary. some of the names people enter the game with are incredibly obscene -- while we can all probably handle an "ass" here and there and get a chuckle out of some, there is just no need for some of them. Plus, the majority of the offensive junk appears to be done by newer players or simply degenerates that aren't going to change because they get some odd kick out of the behavior, even if it's ignored...I'm not beyond an expletive or two myself, but I try to keep it to a minimum online since there are minors around. (Yeah, some of them are worse than the adults, but why add to that? :) )
However, there isn't much we can do about it except self-police. We can ask the offender to stop. Some might. Others are there just to be that way so they won't. Like someone else mentioned, targeting the offender over and over can help relieve some frustration. :) (Just make sure it's really offensive or others will figure you're the jerk.) Generally just ignoring them works, even if it's difficult.
Where is the line and who draws it? Well, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart once said he couldn't define obscenity, but he knew it when he saw it. Basically, we all may have a different line of what we find to be over the top. Over time, the reaction to these things will kind of normalize to a sort of "middle ground" -- they won't stop, but the response from the community will be fairly consistent anyway.
As for the forums, that's GarageGames' business. I just stop reading threads that don't interest me for whatever reason.
#18
11/10/2003 (6:28 pm)
Yeah, I just think that people should not be afraid to stand up to people like Fp. Sorry about the 1940's grammer, I start feeling poetic when I am angry...
#19
P.S. the misspelling is for irony
11/10/2003 (7:11 pm)
Ladies and gentlemen the original "quiter" here, i do not post things very often but in this case i would like like to suggest the television philosophy, if you do not like what you see change the channel, after all it is only a game. the only person i can control is myself mantain self dignity and rise above the others and just play. we are here to have fun.P.S. the misspelling is for irony
Azazel
a big warning sign to me.
Like you I'm a Christian & I try not to judge others. It's hard sometimes. TT does have a lot of real fine folks who play everyday. Thats why I play TT and nothing else.
Az