Unruly scrum crowd?

#41 The other day I was playing a nice game of scrum with a handful of random players. I noticed one person had the scrum and was running away from a swarm of scrum-hungry tanks. I drove over a hill to cut him off and get between him and goal. I was able to relieve him of the scrum and drive backwards into the goal for an easy point. I was then accused of "camping" by the now scrumless player. Is this a dishonorable tactic to use?

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~Clax

#42 Cliff diving is a tactic I seldom use.. it just doesn't feel sportsmanlike.. I will only do it if its a VERY heated match involving some of our eliminator players (you know who you are)
and I am nearly dead and in need of a new tank... no use getting the scrum just to be killed on the next shot.

I have played with many who dive after every goal close to a ledge.. it never really seemed to give them an advantage though.

As far as being accused of "camping" by taking the scrum away close to the goal... I get that one ALL the time.. one of my staple moves is to pursue to the goal and take the scrum away seconds before you score.. Just remember people get mad when you "steal" from them =)

Plus.. as I have said before.. I don't not camp because I think its wrong.. I don't camp because I can score more by hitting the open field and stealing it there. If you are close to the goal with the scrum... you can bet I will be there to take it.. call it what you want.

"Please don't knock the flag thingy off my head"
Tank Dork

#43 Ah, here's a new topic -- Suicide... How does everyone feel about that? While I don't have a vested interest in how the other players conduct themselves, I've alway felt that I'd somehow lose a bit of honor (as much as an Ass Clone can have!) if I committed suicide in hopes of respawning healthy and anew. I feel obliged to see each tank life through to it's natural death.I'd rather be shot dead as I run smoking toward the scrum than to jump ship... No disrespect to Tank Dork.

What's everyone's take on that?

#44 Tastes bad...

#45 Some idle thoughts....
I do think that there is a place for sportsmanship in TT. The games which have the oldtimers in in are much more fun and I think "fairer" (if it can be). Lately the scrum matches have become more about luck than anything else. All the tanks head for the goal and bang around until they just happen to score. This gets old and boring (and frustrating). I would like to see some thought put towards moving the play back to the field. Maybe;
A pause between respawns so tanks are not disposable?
A goal that causes damage?
A larger goal?
Reduced shots (per clip, or longer time between) for all tanks in scrum?
Never respawn at the goal?
I know some of these items have been discussed before. If the "shoot'em up" aproach was softened a little more empahsis would shift to driving and tatics (at least in my world).
One other item which might be interesting concerns the maps. Is it possible to have the game spawn a random map? I mean actual terrain being random not which map.
As I said idle thoughts....
Bill
aka "him"

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DAMN gess I should hav paide more attention in skhool instead of play'ng cumputer gamess.

#46 Yea, yea. I'll drive on my bloody smoking stumps just to destroy all of you before I do myself in.

#47 As to me, I never cliff-dive or never suicide in the hope of respawning. I count on my driving skills to escape. Suicide is for loser.

Everyone likes to congratulate a smoking wreck that succeed in escaping cross-fire and score a goal.

#48 Here here!!

#49 You will never know the glory of crushing your opponent with your bloody smoking fists as you score the winning goal while simulaneuosly blowing your brain into the ether! The accolades and awards of the digital community will come raining down upon you while you bask in the enormity of wealth bestowed on because of your unparalleled heroism.... And with the acrual of power and fame you will rule the land and grow your Ass Clone Armies to smother and forever eradicate the loathsome swine who dared not ascend to your superior level of play.... Ahhhhh the smell of it!!!! But I digress...

I just think it's not cool man.

#50 Wow, where's a Dateline NBC corespondent when you need one. This is solid gold human interest story. A triumph of the human spirt.

-- Stone Phillips

#51 @ACA.. none taken, I understand your point. The "dive" I was refering to is the one I have seen pretty much all of us do... the one where we are trying to "grab the scrum" as it drops over the edge.

@baklava... =)
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n.
A dessert made of paper-thin layers of pastry, chopped nuts, and honey

Honey... mmm mmm

@Tank Dork...
dork ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dôrk)
n.
Slang. A stupid, inept, or foolish person:
"the stupid antics of America's favorite teen-age cartoon dorks" (Joshua Mooney).
Vulgar Slang. The penis.


"Guess it all depends on how I am playing that day..."
Tank Dork

#52 It is with a melancholic nostalgia that I reflect back to the day when The Great Ass was cloned. Those of us who knew "Ass" well, were very aware that in order to preserve the dignity and fortitude of a great warrior, the procedure would have to be done. Ass could not and would not allow the deceit and malevolence of the growing populace to overthrow IT and make a mockery of the instituition that IT had built up.

Surely, wherever Ass is, IT's sphincter must be cringing is absolute disgust that an overly-sweet, flakey, Greek pastry and a penis are conniving to take valour away from the battlefield!

Your legacy will not be forgotten, Ass!!

jangles

#53 Jangles, you're scaring me.

Well, @#$%. I broke my wrist today (yet another unfortunate victim of skateboarding), So I'll be impared for the next six weeks. It isn't a major break, just a fracture on that bone about 4 inches down from your little finger. It was my aiming hand, so im gonna suck for awhile, at least until I get used to this damned cast. *mutter*

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Aw what the hell! (whee!)


"word from the wise...never take vicodan and watch Tron. EVER."

~Clax

#54 This is an excellent thread. I just wanted to add that I love playing Team Scrum and I usually play the Heavy Tank and attempt to run interference and blocking for light tank team members. I'm sometimes successful; I have more fun with it than trying to do battle with all the other light tanks as a light tank because I'm not very coordinated and quick myself. :)

I've been accused of camping myself, and I also found this odd considering this is a game where one of the objects is to make sure one of your team members gets in the goal with the flag. I never sit in the goal, however -- that's actually a pretty stupid move since you have to spin around and try to see everyone coming at you. I find it much better to sit several yards away on a hill where I can see the fray and trying to play artillery on the enemy, then running down the hill and in behind my own team member if it has the flag to block tanks chasing him or her.

I also am not above shooting folks a few times to make them smoke so I or team members can pick them off should they get the flag and get close to the goal. It seems a viable tactic, and is used on me often enough, too.

I've been told by many that I should play the light tank, but frankly I get bored in a game that is all light tanks buzzing around, chasing each other, bumping into one another at the goal until one scores. I think a mix of light, medium, and heavy tanks playing as a concerted team is much more interesting...

Hmm... I hope I haven't made it onto any lists. :)

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Dementus

#55 Keep the faith Dementus. People are probably just as jealous of your bulky tank's strength as they are of my muscles.

I've always enjoyed matches where there's a mixture of tank sizes. I especially enjoy watching a Heavy Tank try to sprint toward the goal with a scrum as it gets blasted by a million cannons, yet still keeps moving.

One thing that I think could be improved upon is the effect of inertial mass and velocity of the Heavy Tanks. When it comes to pushing, the Heavies don't seem to have an advantage over light tanks. You would think that a Heavy going full speed would be able to plow through a pack of light tanks simply because of its velocity and greater mass, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

Is this something that could be refined more in game play?

#56

Quote:You would think that a Heavy going full speed would be able to plow through a pack of light tanks simply because of its velocity and greater mass, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

I had thought about this myself, especially when playing block, but then I figured it might make the game a bit too lopsided in favor of heavy tankers who DO sit in the goal :) among other possible gameplay issues.

If it took shaving something off the other heavy tank abilities to allow for some more mass , I'd be cool with it.

#57 I concur with ass clone. the dif. classes should have diff weights. i thought it would come with an update, but alas. would really add a strategic element. back to class,..,,

#58 I feel for you Clax, my hand was disfunctional for three days and I had enough. Although, you did come in and whoop us in scrum despite your broken aimer... So I'm not sure what to think. :)

Anyway, I'd like to see a heavier heavy too. Even though it's been souped up, it's still not very useful in scrum. Weight might balance that. But it would have to be tested a bunch to get the right balance, we don't want it to powerful...

The only problem I see is that you would no longer be able to use a light to knock a heavy onto Bot Falls Island. :(

...And if it's a change that will break the currently distributed demos, then you can't expect a change anytime soon...

-- 56k Lag Man
"Woohoo the bee sting swelling has gone down, I can drive a tank again."

#59 Mike L,
I think that bolstering the heavy tanks abilities by giving it more mass would level the playing field a bit. As it stands, the light tanks completely dominate scrum. Even a seasoned player is hard pressed to score in a Heavy. I think you are correct though in predicting that a Heavy could sit in a goal and be hard to move. This may change the way light tanks have to deal with it. Instead of rolling up next to the heavy and pushing, they may have to build up more velocity for a bigger bonk. As always, a heavy sitting in the goal will probably have to be blasted. Typically the pack of light tanks ends up whamming it out of the way anyhow.
It may be worth testing. It could change the heavy tank from just being a novelty item to being a viable competitor.

-Chris

#60 Fast tanks could get behind the heavy, where it can't shoot or see you, and creep slowly into the goal - so as not to hand off the ball to the heavy.
It would be even easier to do so with even a slightly larger goal...